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		11-19-2013, 03:45 PM 
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		I've never heard of any law against parentheses in poetry.  I use them from time to time, if I'm inserting some kind of parenthetical element    
Apparently there's also some law against using smilies as punctuation... well   
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		 (11-19-2013, 03:45 PM)Leanne Wrote:  I've never heard of any law against parentheses in poetry.  I use them from time to time, if I'm inserting some kind of parenthetical element  
 Apparently there's also some law against using smilies as punctuation... well
  
There is a rule but we're not supposed to just say it. (You know how it is with these things)
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (11-19-2013, 03:48 PM)milo Wrote:   (11-19-2013, 03:45 PM)Leanne Wrote:  I've never heard of any law against parentheses in poetry.  I use them from time to time, if I'm inserting some kind of parenthetical element  
 Apparently there's also some law against using smilies as punctuation... well
  There is a rule but we're not supposed to just say it. (You know how it is with these things)
 
I once wrote a suessish poem using a site's smiles (pretty silly).
	 
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		This is one of my favorite ee cummings works:  Old age sticks 
old age sticks 
up Keep 
Off 
signs)&
 
youth yanks them 
down(old 
age 
cries No
 
Tres)&(pas) 
youth laughs 
(sing 
old age
 
scolds Forbid 
den Stop 
Must 
n't Don't
 
&)youth goes 
right on 
gr 
owing old
 
There are so many deep meanings to the punctuation and line breaks he's chosen. I say embrace strange punctuation in poetry-----as long as it makes sense to use it.
 
  (10-19-2013, 12:31 AM)SirBrendan Wrote:  "Well, there's your problem right there. English, while an excellentlanguage in many other respects, is a rather poor native one.
 My advise would be to change your native language to one
 that's more appropriate for natives. Continuing down your current
 path will only garner you more bemuddlement and forplexity."
 
 That's some funny stuff right there.Thank you
 
 On the topic of puncutation. I take the idea that their sacred
 Imean its pretty obvious we make those rules for a reason
 and you're attempts to cheepen them made me sicker;
 
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		The accursed Power which stands on Privilege(and goes with women and Champagne and Bridge)
 Is broke; -- and Democracy resumes her reign
 (which goes with Bridge, and women, and Champagne.)
 
 Hilaire Belloc 'On A General Election'.  Just a minor poet, so perhaps he can be forgiven parentheses.
 
 As much as I personally love punctuation, I am beginning to wonder whether the ellipses of Ms Dickinson are not really sufficient for all purposes, apostrophes excepted.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		i had to look up apostrophes, i thought they had something to do with medicine   
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		I recently read that when using quotation marks punctuation needs to be within the marks.
 Are you suggesting I replace the word "whilst?"
 
 I would naturally put the question mark outside the quote. Which is correct?
 
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		Question mark would be inside the quote marks "whilst?" is correct. 
 So sayeth the grammar police.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		ha, whilst is correct, at last.    
Thanks, bean.
	
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		From Dictionary.com
 
 whilst
 [hwahylst, wahylst]
 conjunction
 Chiefly British , while.
 Origin:
 1325–75; Middle English whilest,  equivalent to whiles + parasitic -t  as in amongst, amidst
 
 
 whilst it isn't used as much by anyone but Brits, it is completely fine!
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		I abhor the notion of putting punctuation inside the quotes  
because It doesn't parse in a logical manner. I'm a being 
of the software universe, I cannot do otherwise.    
I use '?' after the quotes because the sentence 'Are...' 
is asking the question.
Are you suggesting I replace the word "whilst" ? 
In the sentence below I put the '?' inside the quotes because it 
is the 'Where...' that is posing the question.
Jack asked "Where are you going today?" , but didn't bother to listen to the answer.
 
Note that the ',' above is outside because it belongs to the 'Jack...' 
sentence. (There is no ',' after asked because there is no pause.)
 
English is changed by utilizing the change.
	 
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		Makes no sense to me,dear.  "Where are you going today?" is also asking a question, same as "are you suggesting I replace the word 'whilst'?"
 Now that punctuation above is due to sentence construction, as I was quoting within a quote.
 
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		 (07-02-2014, 01:53 AM)rayheinrich Wrote:  I abhor the notion of putting punctuation inside the quotes
 because It doesn't parse in a logical manner. I'm a being
 of the software universe, I cannot do otherwise.
  
 I use '?' after the quotes because the sentence 'Are...'
 is asking the question.
 
 Are you suggesting I replace the word "whilst" ?
 
 In the sentence below I put the '?' inside the quotes because it
 is the 'Where...' that is posing the question.
 
 Jack asked "Where are you going today?" , but didn't bother
 to listen to the answer.
 
 Note that the ',' above is outside because it belongs to the 'Jack...'
 sentence. (There is no ',' after asked because there is no pause.)
 
 English is changed by utilizing the change.
 
 
 
Thanks, Ray, that's where I would like to stand. I've recently been throwing them all inside the quotes but I'm more comfortable with end punctuation outside the quote if it is not a part of what is being quoted.
	 
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