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		WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon
 of devastating friendly fire.
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope,
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter,
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.
 
 Hold on fast, dear ones.
 Wear the armor.
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep
 in your own softened, white fleece.
 
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality.
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades.
 
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		 (08-01-2017, 03:12 AM)nibbed Wrote:  WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps  "blips" or perhaps "pixels?"
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,  lovely ambiguity - draw attention/draw a sword
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,  "kind" or "form" instead of "measure?"
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:  is "of all" necessary?
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon  recalls Milton's demonic artillery, also the postmodernist canon of amorality
 of devastating friendly fire.
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope, the "little platoons," as Edmund Burke put it
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love  an unfortunate cliche - can this line be improved?
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter, "their" perimeter vice "the?"
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.
 
 Hold on fast, dear ones. is "on" necessary?
 Wear the armor.
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep "clothe" vice "blanket?"
 in your own softened, white fleece. "soft" instead of "softened" - or maybe not.
 
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality. dynamite line!
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades. would like to see a more connected two lines here at the end... "In this raging..." or "stay mindful of your comrades" - but better
 
Excellent sentiments, quite well expressed but could be better.  Generic advice:  view all uses of "the" with suspicion unless asserting that this is the only one.
 
My adverse reaction to "unconditional love" may be anomalous, but I see perfect love as simultaneously constant and potentially judgmental:  you have to remove the beam from your own eye, but don't forget to then return and lovingly remove the mote from the beloved's.
 
Were you thinking of those evil angels not included in Lincoln's "better angels of our nature?"  Those who wage "social justice," perhaps?
 
This is quite nice; the above are suggestions only.
	 
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		 (05-22-2017, 09:57 PM)nibbed Wrote:  Revision
 
 Don't Look
 
 Cleaning my own clock
 I chimed in
 hungry scavengers;
 
 From the time
 I passed through the canal,
 I've clung to every word offered
 from this cruel world of pendulums,                                                  Nice extended metaphor with the clock. Think it could be more obvious/specific? I imagine a grandfather clock, but not sure...
 trying to ready staves,
 secure them in place;
 
 Trusting scholars
 over instinct & common sense,
 my key turned once too often,
 twisting out of shape                                                                      I like this image a lot!
 worn, rusted,
 over-wound coils.                                                                            Because you say "twisting out of shape", I wonder if something like "Ever-wounding coils" would be better to continue the continuing sense of the tense here
 
 Weary of wasting each notch
 on silly, lying vanities,                                                                    Vanities are already silly
 wondering if I would ever
 find life again,                                                                               "if I will find life again"
 I turned fate over
 to the hands
 of my own mercy:
 
 Sounding the great alarm,                                                         Wondering if there's a more specific word here // I like this poem! I would keep it and maybe take a look later. There's some fun images in there that you might be able to reuse
  I lifted from my grave clothes
 trading velvet cap and bells
 for a robe of purest white.
 
 
 
 
 Original
 Don't Look
 
 
 I cleaned my own clock
 by hanging heavily
 to every word
 of this world;
 trusting scholars,
 turning over my life
 to the hands of death
 as I wasted time selling
 my own lying vanities.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 sorry, I realized the 1st poem
 was a big mistake. I tried
 to delete it, but it wouldn't
 let me, so, I wrote over it
 a completely different poem.
  (07-24-2017, 10:17 AM)Solstice Wrote:  Sometimes self defense comes from the top down,Like digging utensils, you can keep heeling,
 A flying thwack, to the solid state,
 Of our perceptions, young wooden
 Double edged swords stuck
 Between arm and rib, where that true metal
 Scarred me, and made me bitter, unlike
 The amateur porn that she had only half
 A heart to see me watch.
 
 I guess there were a few chases,
 A few, well, chases, and I don't like                                                     Kinda lost here
 The name Sue.
  (08-01-2017, 03:12 AM)nibbed Wrote:  WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.                                                 At a lost here for meaning
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,                                                 Nice metaphor
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon
 of devastating friendly fire.                                                I'd say that powerful and devastating are redundant
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope,
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter,
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.                                                why "may or may not"? Just stick with "that may destroy us"...maybe
  
 Hold on fast, dear ones.
 Wear the armor.                                                Unnecessary "the" imo
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep
 in your own softened, white fleece.                                                Favourite stanza
  
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality.
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades.                                                 I wonder if you could just keep it at "never forget" or "lest we forget", since those include the subtext of "your comrades"
 
I like (and understand) the second half more than the first. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with angel/devil lit to get references you're making. 
 
You have nice metaphor and imagery throughout. Good work, and keep trucking!    
And so it goes :-)
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		 (08-01-2017, 10:47 PM)dukealien Wrote:  They make lousy judges. (08-01-2017, 03:12 AM)nibbed Wrote:  WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps  "blips" or perhaps "pixels?"                                                         -yes, I knew that didn't sound right, thank you!
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,  lovely ambiguity - draw attention/draw a sword
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,  "kind" or "form" instead of "measure?"
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:  is "of all" necessary?                       -that would make it better, indeed!
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon  recalls Milton's demonic artillery, also the postmodernist canon of amorality
 of devastating friendly fire.
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope, the "little platoons," as Edmund Burke put it               -they are precious, to be preserved
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love  an unfortunate cliche - can this line be improved?                    -this will be a challenge, I will try
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter, "their" perimeter vice "the?"
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.
 
 Hold on fast, dear ones. is "on" necessary?                                                                      -no, it's not
  Wear the armor.
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep "clothe" vice "blanket?"                                           -clothe, might be better...changes my thought of warmth,
 in your own softened, white fleece. "soft" instead of "softened" - or maybe not.                                                              and protection, though
 
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality. dynamite line!
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades. would like to see a more connected two lines here at the end... "In this raging..." or "stay mindful of your comrades" - but better                                                                                              -a very good suggestion to consider
 Excellent sentiments, quite well expressed but could be better.  Generic advice:  view all uses of "the" with suspicion unless asserting that this is the only one.
 
 My adverse reaction to "unconditional love" may be anomalous, but I see perfect love as simultaneously constant and potentially judgmental:  you have to remove the beam from your own eye, but don't forget to then return and lovingly remove the mote from the beloved's.  -that's true
 
 Were you thinking of those evil angels not included in Lincoln's "better angels of our nature?"  Those who wage "social justice," perhaps?
 The thing about angels are, they aren't God.
 They can't see the workings or underminings
 of cleverer angels.
 This is quite nice; the above are suggestions only.                                                                      They aren't Omnipresent or Omniscient.
 
 
 dukealien, thank you for your awesomely thorough reading and consideration of my poem. I admire your level of understanding poetry and written words. I hope one day to be even a smidgen as good a poet/critique as you are. You are a blessing. I hope your day is filled with many happy and beautiful things.
 
 nibbed
 
 
  (08-02-2017, 04:37 AM)Lydish Wrote:   (05-22-2017, 09:57 PM)nibbed Wrote:  Revision
 
 Don't Look
 
 Cleaning my own clock
 I chimed in
 hungry scavengers;
 
 From the time
 I passed through the canal,
 I've clung to every word offered
 from this cruel world of pendulums,                                                  Nice extended metaphor with the clock. Think it could be more obvious/specific? I imagine a grandfather clock, but not sure...
 trying to ready staves,
 secure them in place;
 
 Trusting scholars
 over instinct & common sense,
 my key turned once too often,
 twisting out of shape                                                                      I like this image a lot!
 worn, rusted,
 over-wound coils.                                                                            Because you say "twisting out of shape", I wonder if something like "Ever-wounding coils" would be better to continue the continuing sense of the tense here
 
 Weary of wasting each notch
 on silly, lying vanities,                                                                    Vanities are already silly
 wondering if I would ever
 find life again,                                                                               "if I will find life again"
 I turned fate over
 to the hands
 of my own mercy:
 
 Sounding the great alarm,                                                         Wondering if there's a more specific word here // I like this poem! I would keep it and maybe take a look later. There's some fun images in there that you might be able to reuse
  I lifted from my grave clothes
 trading velvet cap and bells
 for a robe of purest white.
 
 
 
 
 Original
 Don't Look
 
 
 I cleaned my own clock
 by hanging heavily
 to every word
 of this world;
 trusting scholars,
 turning over my life
 to the hands of death
 as I wasted time selling
 my own lying vanities.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 sorry, I realized the 1st poem
 was a big mistake. I tried
 to delete it, but it wouldn't
 let me, so, I wrote over it
 a completely different poem.
 
  (07-24-2017, 10:17 AM)Solstice Wrote:  Sometimes self defense comes from the top down,Like digging utensils, you can keep heeling,
 A flying thwack, to the solid state,
 Of our perceptions, young wooden
 Double edged swords stuck
 Between arm and rib, where that true metal
 Scarred me, and made me bitter, unlike
 The amateur porn that she had only half
 A heart to see me watch.
 
 I guess there were a few chases,
 A few, well, chases, and I don't like                                                     Kinda lost here
 The name Sue.
 
  (08-01-2017, 03:12 AM)nibbed Wrote:  WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.                                                 At a lost here for meaning
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,                                                 Nice metaphor
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon
 of devastating friendly fire.                                                I'd say that powerful and devastating are redundant
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope,
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter,
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.                                                why "may or may not"? Just stick with "that may destroy us"...maybe
  
 Hold on fast, dear ones.
 Wear the armor.                                                Unnecessary "the" imo
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep
 in your own softened, white fleece.                                                Favourite stanza
  
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality.
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades.                                                 I wonder if you could just keep it at "never forget" or "lest we forget", since those include the subtext of "your comrades"
 
 
 I like (and understand) the second half more than the first. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with angel/devil lit to get references you're making.
 
 You have nice metaphor and imagery throughout. Good work, and keep trucking!
  
thank you for reading my poem and commenting. 
weird, your notations didn't show up until I responded. 
so now I need to say 
thank you kindly for your thoughtfulness to take time to critique, 
I will certainly consider your helpful tips. 
 
nibbed
	 
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		slight revision
 
 WARNING:
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only blips
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption's sword,
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon
 of devastating friendly fire.
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope,
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl fort's perimeter,
 seeking new recruitment
 that may or may not destroy us.
 
 Hold on fast, dear ones.
 Wear God's armor.
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket suffering black sheep
 in your softened, white fleece.
 
 Play and pray, love each other
 through stripes of regret
 and heartache of fatality.
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades.
 
 
 
 
 
 original
 WARNING:
 
 
 There's an intricacy of campaigns
 going on around here.
 We are only bleeps
 on the screens of devils.
 
 A third the angels
 took thousands of years from us
 learning to manage
 their own proudest crowns:
 a conglomerate of confusion.
 
 Nosy evil angels
 draw assumption as a sword,
 while others
 arm themselves in automation,
 every measure of intoxication,
 manipulating their most powerful weapon of all:
 
 silly egos made from burnt mantels
 and every oh-so-common human flaw
 jammed into a powerful cannon
 of devastating friendly fire.
 
 Their primary target?
 The family unit,
 our greatest troop of hope,
 the place from which we should find
 unconditional love
 and renewed strength.
 
 All the while
 chipping away at our outskirts,
 as our braver,
 worn guards
 crawl the perimeter,
 seeking new recruitments
 that may or may not destroy us.
 
 Hold on fast, dear ones.
 Wear the armor.
 Bind and pull together,
 forgive and love.
 
 Make feasts and parties
 in the foxholes
 we've dug together,
 blanket those lovely black sheep
 in your own softened, white fleece.
 
 Play and pray, love each other
 through the stripes of regret,
 through the heartache of fatality.
 
 It's a raging battle,
 never forget your comrades.
 
there's always a better reason to love
 
		
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