06-10-2014, 06:37 AM
(06-09-2014, 10:39 PM)nb Wrote: Hi Loretta!
I know zip about formal poetic forms so I will leave that angle to the experts here.
LorettaYoung Wrote:...And though dear Lord you follow me, andI like that "his naked face" is "the cunning ghost" that is closer to you, is more immediate to you, than God, with Whom you admit to having a personal relationship. (I think God will cut you some slack.
for my sake do part the sea;
his naked face will always be,
the cunning ghost who's haunting me.)
LorettaYoung Wrote:A life on stage now sets his teeth in paper cups.Ooo, this hits you. Very good!
LorettaYoung Wrote:And then I wake, the world is bland,Excellent strong finish; a very stark image. Maybe you could jiggle it so that "hands" is also in the singular. I think it would flow better.
I find therein, my empty hands.
Thanks!
nb
(06-10-2014, 06:37 AM)LorettaYoung Wrote:(06-09-2014, 10:39 PM)nb Wrote: Hi Loretta!
I know zip about formal poetic forms so I will leave that angle to the experts here.
LorettaYoung Wrote:...And though dear Lord you follow me, andI like that "his naked face" is "the cunning ghost" that is closer to you, is more immediate to you, than God, with Whom you admit to having a personal relationship. (I think God will cut you some slack.
for my sake do part the sea;
his naked face will always be,
the cunning ghost who's haunting me.)
LorettaYoung Wrote:A life on stage now sets his teeth in paper cups.Ooo, this hits you. Very good!
LorettaYoung Wrote:And then I wake, the world is bland,Excellent strong finish; a very stark image. Maybe you could jiggle it so that "hands" is also in the singular. I think it would flow better.
I find therein, my empty hands.
Thanks!
nb
Nb: i am very grateful that you see the depth in this. Yes, I do have a personal relationship with God, but I know He forgives me. I was questioning the hand or hands myself. I will say that the original of this was improved by things I am learning. Thanks much for your time and commenting. Lorett
(06-09-2014, 08:55 PM)bena Wrote: Just for help, I also have a wonderful site I use for the basic rules and regs:
http://www.sonnets.org/basicforms.htm
(06-09-2014, 08:55 PM)bena Wrote: Just for help, I also have a wonderful site I use for the basic rules and regs:
http://www.sonnets.org/basicforms.htm
Hi Bena: thank you so much, I will photocopy it and go find some freedom in solitary. I did mean to say IT, i think it's really tetrameter, mostly, I hope. Loretta
(06-09-2014, 01:22 PM)Erthona Wrote: "they say they've cried much in he past."
A lot of this is in trochee instead of iambs, and most lines are four foot not five, so you're a little off from IP. Despite that, this still moves evenly, with only a few disruptive bumps here and there. Of course any one who wants to call themselves a poet should learn the major forms. A Shakespearean sonnet has fourteen lines with an xyxy rhyme scheme for the first 12 lines, then a couplet for the last two, all written in iambic pentameter (five feet of iambs), in case you want to give it a try.
On the whole this reads better than anything else I've seen you write. So keep up the work, you seem to be improving.
Dale
(06-09-2014, 01:22 PM)Erthona Wrote: "they say they've cried much in he past."
A lot of this is in trochee instead of iambs, and most lines are four foot not five, so you're a little off from IP. Despite that, this still moves evenly, with only a few disruptive bumps here and there. Of course any one who wants to call themselves a poet should learn the major forms. A Shakespearean sonnet has fourteen lines with an xyxy rhyme scheme for the first 12 lines, then a couplet for the last two, all written in iambic pentameter (five feet of iambs), in case you want to give it a try.
On the whole this reads better than anything else I've seen you write. So keep up the work, you seem to be improving.
Dale
(06-09-2014, 01:22 PM)Erthona Wrote: "they say they've cried much in he past."
A lot of this is in trochee instead of iambs, and most lines are four foot not five, so you're a little off from IP. Despite that, this still moves evenly, with only a few disruptive bumps here and there. Of course any one who wants to call themselves a poet should learn the major forms. A Shakespearean sonnet has fourteen lines with an xyxy rhyme scheme for the first 12 lines, then a couplet for the last two, all written in iambic pentameter (five feet of iambs), in case you want to give it a try.
On the whole this reads better than anything else I've seen you write. So keep up the work, you seem to be improving.
Dale
(06-09-2014, 01:22 PM)Erthona Wrote: "they say they've cried much in he past."
A lot of this is in trochee instead of iambs, and most lines are four foot not five, so you're a little off from IP. Despite that, this still moves evenly, with only a few disruptive bumps here and there. Of course any one who wants to call themselves a poet should learn the major forms. A Shakespearean sonnet has fourteen lines with an xyxy rhyme scheme for the first 12 lines, then a couplet for the last two, all written in iambic pentameter (five feet of iambs), in case you want to give it a try.
On the whole this reads better than anything else I've seen you write. So keep up the work, you seem to be improving.
Dale
Erthona: thank you, I'm glad to be learning because the art of it is beautiful. I know it is not IP, that was a mistake, but I thought it was tetrameter. I agree with your suggestions but I think as to stressors and syllable I need to practice; I will do that while I think of a sonnet and IP and stressor, and most importantly, the message. Best Loretta
(06-09-2014, 02:48 PM)billy Wrote: it doesn't read as a sonnet as of yet, here's a good link that shows the mechanics of the thing. (in reply to a post to bena you made)
i think the title is great. the poem less so.
Sweet sleep, i beg, to rest serene,
but sudden storms invade my dream,
and tempests rage in vivid scenes.
would be a better meter than the one you have at present. all i did was use the soft stress to start the next line which gives you iambic octometer almost. the sweet line could be:
oh sweet sleep, i would rest serene[ i think there are enough iambs to count as an iambic line]
you could also work each line out to 5 meter feet which would need another soft hard and stressed syllable.
the first verse reminds me of Shelley's Frankenstein and on the whole i think you have some good lines of poetry at play.
a note of caution though. try not to end lines with and or but, or word that carries you out of the meter.
(06-09-2014, 04:25 AM)LorettaYoung Wrote: The Picture of His Face
Sweet sleep, i beg, to rest serene, but
sudden storms invade my dream, and
tempests rage in vivid scenes.
And though dear Lord you follow me, and [move the [and] down]
for my sake do part the sea;
his naked face will always be,
the cunning ghost who's haunting me.
Weary eyes although they laugh,
they say they've cried much in he past.
Of course, the smile, a poet's wile;
which sings sweet music with purposed guile.
The heartfelt love, the selfish cad;
mischief was the younger lad.
That knowing grin has seen and touched:
A life on stage now sets his teeth in paper cups.
I feel the face, it's etched in me.
With fingers soft and lovingly;
caressing haunted history, and
treasuring the memory,
of all his face engulfs in me.
And then I wake, the world is bland,
I find therein, my empty hands.
Hi Billy: thanks for writing, I agree with everything you and Erthona say to now as far as changes, but i do like the poem. Am I correct that putting the and's and but's on the next line, one adding a syllable, and a soft sound first. What is the purpose of soft and hard sounds at the beginning of the line? Thanks billy; still feeling better I trust. Best, Loretta
(06-09-2014, 08:55 PM)bena Wrote: Just for help, I also have a wonderful site I use for the basic rules and regs:
http://www.sonnets.org/basicforms.htm
Hi Bena: what a lot of infomation; thanks so much; it is challenging, but what is life without them. Best, Loretta


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