09-06-2017, 11:09 AM
(09-06-2017, 09:20 AM)nibbed Wrote:Nibbed, I'm unclear about this.(09-02-2017, 05:55 PM)shemthepenman Wrote:(09-02-2017, 09:36 AM)Achebe Wrote: Why should the implied subservience of women nullify the validity of the Christian bible? The truth is not what it is because we like it.No... that isn't what i said nor the point I was making.
The Truth is the Truth, even if it means killing children for Baal, who is the one true God.
Nibbed interpreting Paul's words (non-literally) contradicts her claim that she believes in the literal word of the bible. My point is, if one is going to use all the tools of language, metaphor, simile, subtext, allusion, context, and historical context, in order to read Paul's words "women must be silent" non-literally, then why hold so dogmatically to a literal reading of the Adam and Eve story, for example, when those parts seem in most need of interpretation—being counterintuitive, anti-scientific, anti-what-we-know-to-be-true-about-the-world, and flying in the face of a tidal wave of a priori and a posteriori evidence.
I am not saying that one can't believe in the literal word of the bible; I would, however, suggest most female Christians who profess to believe it haven't taken a vow of silence; and yet still choose to ignore scientific descovery and bang on about how evolution is "just a theory" and think the world is 6000 years old... all I'm saying is, pick a lane! You can go on thinking god made the universe in seven days and that fossils were put there by the devil to test us, all you like... but, if you're a woman, you also have to acknoledge, for it is written, you've got to keep that nonsense to yourself.
shemthepenman, I wasn't interpreting Paul's words at all. You must take the portion you used in context, when it was written and the scene in which it was written, including why it was written and to whom, then Scripture must be proven with more Scripture. There's no interpretation when I say that it was a letter written to Timothy from Paul. It was indeed, a letter. There was no interpretation when I said Paul's writings were written as a guide for believers dealing with other believers. As a believer I am not to purposely teach other Christians who are men. Maybe I will fail, maybe I will let my lips slip, maybe I will lose my place and some teaching words will slip from my lips to another believer who is a man, I hope not. That would be sin, and that's what us humans do, we sin, but it will not send me to hell. I can never go there, because I accepted God's free love gift, I accepted Jesus as my Savior, believing His finished work on the cross paid my sin debt forever: past, present, and future sin. Because I am saved doesn't make me any different than you, it just makes me saved. I'll still sin, I can'thelp it, I live in this fleshy flesh. I want to try not to sin, for many reasons.
If you study the epistles you will find that they are exhortations to the early Church or individuals, such as Timothy. They are not the same as the law that was written in the Old Testament to the Jews that was to be followed, exclusively by them. You are picking and choosing a portion to make a point that does not match up with the background of the Scripture to try to make me feel my faith is lacking or inferior or faulty or to try and make me feel my faith is less than I think it should be. There's no convincing me. Once I asked Jesus in, He cannot leave me. I in no way came on here boastful or insulting your faith, if I had, you would have likely gotten angry and put me in my place. When I share my faith I don't condemn you, I just tell you from my heart what I believe. Whatever you do with my witness is between you and God. All I know is Jesus shed His precious blood and I had to choose to receive that by faith or reject it. I received it. He is a gentle Savior, loving and good. I hope I have explained it properly and in an orderly way. I learned this verse as a child, that pretty much sums up my faith: For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
I hope all is well for you and you find great peace and happiness.
nibbed
Do you believe the world is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs lived side by side with Adam, or do you subscribe to a less literal interpretation of your Christian bible?
~ I think I just quoted myself - Achebe

