03-08-2024, 08:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-08-2024, 08:49 AM by TranquillityBase.)
(03-05-2024, 10:27 AM)Wjames Wrote: Philip is Philip Casey? I was doing some googling, and I read his poem Daily Bread - it was very good, I hadn't heard of him before. My thoughts are those of someone unfamiliar with his work, outside of also seeing he wrote a novel called The Fabulists and reading a synopsis.Wjames,
Thanks for your notes. The identity of Philip seems to be more important than I thought, based on your and others' comments, so that may be something I need to work into the poem. So I'll leave it a mystery for now. It isn't Philip Casey, though oddly, they have the same birth and death dates.
TqB
(03-06-2024, 06:50 AM)dukealien Wrote: My first impression connected this with Chandler's Philip Marlowe, reinforced by "Black Mask" mystery magazine (Hammet's Continental Op, though, was the nameless one). In that spirit...Thanks Duke for the extensive reading. I was wondering how "the fix is in" would play (or not) in the context of the poem, and I've decided it doesn't, so I'm going to work on that. The bolded notes above are particularly helpful. I felt like something was lacking but could not discern it and I think you've hit on at least one important aspect of that lack.
First stanza: excellent, the fabulist's eyes are what the reader gets behind and inside. There may be jokes and small talk, but at every level (from making a buck [off you] by selling his story to the grim making-you-believe of make-believe, he is serious indeed.
Second stanza: I had a little trouble with that phrase, "the fix is in." To me, it refers to a corrupt verdict or determination - the judge or referee is bought, what seems unknown or yet to be resolved is in fact predetermined. (OK, that actually works for a mystery writer/teller who has actually written the last page before you turn the first.) The tricks of eyes, again, making the reader see imaginary/imagined views. "Laying the suicides in a row" is, in that context, very neat: the writer conjures you (the reader) to breathe life into the characters, make them part of your consciousness... then murder them - now a part of you - on command.
Third stanza: the unspoken name is a nice touch. Even written in first-person (like Marlowe) the writer is the nameless source behind everything that seems to happen. Also touches on the surprise in each turned page or digested word, and again, those myriads created in the theater-city of the reader's mind.
Okay, that's my impression. Likely wrong... but how can it be improved and amplified?
The speaker in the poem is, ultimately, warning the reader of the fabulist's story about what is being perpetrated on him. There is no admiration of the fabulist's craft... could that be added? Or could the speaker strengthen the warning tone, perhaps alluding to all those suicided characters as if they were not merely resident, but working to alter the reader's mind? To, in fact, *change* the reader's mind while its disbelief is artfully suspended? A brain hack.
Of course if this refers to fabulists who create unreal worlds purporting to represent reality - dishonest reporters, for example , or politicians and their handlers devising slogans - that could be made more distinct.
Marlowe himself (if an imaginary character has a self) was always very self-conscious. He'd likely appreciate the poem, wherever he is.
Enjoyed the MASH anecdote
TqB
(03-06-2024, 05:40 PM)busker Wrote:Thanks for the reading Busker. I'll be working on that second stanza. No inside references that I'm conscious of, but I think I need to justify, somehow, "the suicides" for clarity (my own and the reader's).(03-05-2024, 06:37 AM)TranquillityBase Wrote: Poem for Philipwould've enjoyed it more if I had a better idea about which Philip was being referenced here
The fabulist wears a mask,
laughs easily, but his eyes
tell you he’s not joking. .....like WJ, I think 'are' is better here. Only marginally.
When the fix is in, look
beyond the tricks of his eyes
where lunacy and rhyme
lay the suicides in a row. .... I am a bit lost with the lunacy, rhyme, and suicides. I take it that there's a reference to some teller of tales, but because I can't place him I feel like I'm not getting a bunch of inside references
Between the fabulist’s wrist
and his unspoken name ..... did he write under an alias? hmmmmm
worlds are made and unmade
across fields of unready nerves
forming cities in your brain. .....these last two lines are gorgeous on their own
(03-07-2024, 12:55 AM)rowens Wrote: That's why it pays to read the liner notes and the autobiographical writings.Thanks Rowens and good to see you back.
The following is a display of some mannerisms of style. Take andor leave.
The fabulist wears a mask,
laughs easily, but his eyes
tell you he’s not joking.
When the fix is in, look
beyond the tricks of his eyes
- where lunacy and rhyme -
lay the suicides in a row.
Between the fabulist’s wrist
and his unspoken name
worlds are made and unmade
across fields of unready nerves
forming cities in my brain.
Those are some tricks to toy with, make some adjustments of what you too can or could adjust.

