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		 (09-17-2013, 11:59 AM)ellajam Wrote:  Thank you Malu and billy, you've given me some challenges, ( who knew "pre-baby days" was so confusing ?  ). I'll start thinking on it, thanks for taking the time to read and comment. 
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		I tried to edit a little more gently this time.   
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		 (09-17-2013, 10:09 AM)ellajam Wrote:  edit #1
 huddling
 getaway planned
 town fireworks skipped
 they head for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 Now I see why you didn't understand the break on skipped. It needs to suggest at first that they could be skipping.
 
huddling 
getaway planned, they skipped 
the town fireworks
 
Of course, if I am reading it wonder what a "huddling getaway" is but that could just be me . . .
 
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		 (09-19-2013, 11:46 AM)milo Wrote:   (09-17-2013, 10:09 AM)ellajam Wrote:  edit #1Now I see why you didn't understand the break on skipped. It needs to suggest at first that they could be skipping.
 huddling,
 getaway planned
 town fireworks skipped
 they head for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 
 huddling
 getaway planned, they skipped
 the town fireworks
 
 
 Of course, if I am reading it wonder what a "huddling getaway" is but that could just be me . . .
 
 Etc.
 
Aaarrrgggghhhh (it is  national speak like a pirate day, says the "news")
 
Original: 
huddling 
they planned their getaway
 
I was looking for an image of heads together, whispering, making a plan. Maybe they conspired, but I originally thought huddling was more visual.
 
aaaarrrrgggghhhhh
 
huddling,  
getaway planned, they skipped 
small town fireworks 
headed for the shore 
to stroll arcades 
like in childless days
 
It lets me put small back in. Maybe. Is it a given "no punctuation or all"? I always used it willy-nilly, do I have to now add commas and periods throughout?
	 
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		 (09-19-2013, 07:25 PM)ellajam Wrote:   (09-19-2013, 11:46 AM)milo Wrote:   (09-17-2013, 10:09 AM)ellajam Wrote:  edit #1Now I see why you didn't understand the break on skipped. It needs to suggest at first that they could be skipping.
 huddling,
 getaway planned
 town fireworks skipped
 they head for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 
 huddling
 getaway planned, they skipped
 the town fireworks
 
 
 Of course, if I am reading it wonder what a "huddling getaway" is but that could just be me . . .
 
 Etc.
 Aaarrrgggghhhh (it is national speak like a pirate day, says the "news")
 
 Original:
 huddling
 they planned their getaway
 
 I was looking for an image of heads together, whispering, making a plan. Maybe they conspired, but I originally thought huddling was more visual.
 
 aaaarrrrgggghhhhh
 
 huddling,
 getaway planned, they skipped
 small town fireworks
 headed for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 It lets me put small back in. Maybe. Is it a given "no punctuation or all"? I always used it willy-nilly, do I have to now add commas and periods throughout?
 You can do whatever you want, it's your poem but you should have a reason for your choice. I am curious how you think eliminating punctuation helps this poem.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (09-19-2013, 09:11 PM)milo Wrote:   (09-19-2013, 07:25 PM)ellajam Wrote:  You can do whatever you want, it's your poem but you should have a reason for your choice. I am curious how you think eliminating punctuation helps this poem. (09-19-2013, 11:46 AM)milo Wrote:  Now I see why you didn't understand the break on skipped. It needs to suggest at first that they could be skipping.
 huddling
 getaway planned, they skipped
 the town fireworks
 
 
 Of course, if I am reading it wonder what a "huddling getaway" is but that could just be me . . .
 
 Etc.
 Aaarrrgggghhhh (it is national speak like a pirate day, says the "news")
 
 Original:
 huddling
 they planned their getaway
 
 I was looking for an image of heads together, whispering, making a plan. Maybe they conspired, but I originally thought huddling was more visual.
 
 aaaarrrrgggghhhhh
 
 huddling,
 getaway planned, they skipped
 small town fireworks
 headed for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 It lets me put small back in. Maybe. Is it a given "no punctuation or all"? I always used it willy-nilly, do I have to now add commas and periods throughout?
 
ha, good question. For this poem, I have to think about. I think I always use punctuation only when necessary the same way I like to use the minimum of words (though obviously not minimal enough based on all the notes  ).  I'm not saying this is a smart move, just the way I've done it. I'll try some punctuation and see how it goes.
	 
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		 (09-19-2013, 09:11 PM)milo Wrote:  You can do whatever you want, it's your poem but you should have a reason for your choice. I am curious how you think eliminating punctuation helps this poem. 
Well, I can't say I know how it helps this specific poem, so I'm trying it. I think the only way to figure out where I stand on this is to start paying attention to it while reading and really observe its effects. I may be too close to my own poems to tell whether it adds or detracts.
 
Thanks for the lead.
	 
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		 (09-25-2013, 08:22 PM)Chrisko Wrote:   (09-17-2013, 10:09 AM)ellajam Wrote:  edit #2
 Huddling to plan
 their escape, they skipped
 small town fireworks,
 headed for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days.
 
 Hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs,
 she kisses her boy goodbye,
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy,
 leaves her phone home.
 
 They walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree,
 love and lust jersey heat.
 Girls eye him, guys eye her
 young and gorgeous,
 out late but not
 as late as expected.
 
 
 yaaahh,  my ability to punctuate is rusty to say the least
 
 edit #1
 
 huddling
 getaway planned
 town fireworks skipped
 they head for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 
 Original
 
 huddling
 they planned their getaway
 foregoing small town fireworks
 dreaming of the shore
 of strolling arcades
 pre-baby days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promising to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 I like all three of these, my favorite is edit #1. My only suggestion is to take notice of the tense. The first verse starts in present tense (huddling), as if to say they are planning at this moment, then skips to past tense (fireworks skipped). It seems to me that 'huddling' could be changed to: In huddle/ Through huddle/ Heads together/ etc. Overall, I think it's an original piece and I like it.
  Thanks for reading, Chris, and for your comments. I'm finding editing confusing at times and really appreciate opinions on which edit works best. Any opinion on punctuation?    
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		 (09-17-2013, 10:09 AM)ellajam Wrote:  edit #2
 Huddling to plan
 their escape, they skipped
 small town fireworks,
 headed for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days.
 
 Hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs,
 she kisses her boy goodbye,
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy,
 leaves her phone home.
 
 They walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree,
 love and lust jersey heat.
 Girls eye him, guys eye her
 young and gorgeous,
 out late but not
 as late as expected.
 
 
 yaaahh,  my ability to punctuate is rusty to say the least
 
 edit #1
 
 huddling
 getaway planned
 town fireworks skipped
 they head for the shore
 to stroll arcades
 like in childless days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promises to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 
 Original
 
 huddling
 they planned their getaway
 foregoing small town fireworks
 dreaming of the shore
 of strolling arcades
 pre-baby days
 
 hair forced into style
 little dress over long legs
 she kisses her boy goodbye
 promising to win him
 a small stuffed toy
 leaves her phone home
 
 they walk the dark night
 a bit of the old carefree
 love and lust jersey heat
 girls eye him guys eye her
 young and gorgeous
 out late, but not
 as late as expected
 
just a suggestion... the thought of heading to the carnival or fair & telling my BOY where I was going & leaving him behind is MEAN to say the least..! could that be changed to NEWBORN/INFANT in diapers left w/ a sitter instead    
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		 (09-26-2013, 10:04 AM)Spikerider Wrote:  just a suggestion... the thought of heading to the carnival or fair & telling my BOY where I was going & leaving him behind is MEAN to say the least..! could that be changed to NEWBORN/INFANT in diapers left w/ a sitter instead  
ha, don't worry, he was a toddler already in bed and grandpa was babysitting.
 
Grownups are allowed to have fun too. Happy parents, happy child.    
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