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		A Preferred Lie
 Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met,
 these yards of water and grass
 still connect me; it was you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game.
 
 Being here with you so many times,
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy
 mornings broken by cleated shoes;
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance,
 a gentle draw off the tee.
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump,
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		As an avid golfer (and one taught by my father) I'm enjoying this immensely. 
The direct personal address in stanza one contrasts well with the golf course as a setting that puts distance between people. Allied with your precise and cold descriptive style this creates an impersonal yet intimate tone.
 
The dewy morning, cold, clear water and "stroke of cold grace" images work beautifully. 
 
On the other hand, I found the punctuation a challenge at a couple of points. 
 
Minor opinions below.
 
thanks a thousand, 
t
  (02-19-2014, 05:08 AM)71degrees Wrote:  A Preferred Lie
 Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met, Slightly cliched feeling in these opening lines, they don't really add to the poem.
 these yards of water and grass I would prefer if you opened here
 still connect me; it was you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game.
 
 Being here with you so many times,
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy the first comma hindered the flow
 mornings broken by cleated shoes; fine line
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance,
 a gentle draw off the tee. a great stanza throughout
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump,
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death "number four's tee box" draws out this line without adding much, i think "the fourth" works better without asking much of a non golfing reader. your call obviously
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life. last four lines are beautifully wrought.
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		This is a nice sort of extended metaphor.
 "Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met,"
 
 These opening lines seem a tad trite, not to mention confusing. I may be dense, but I just don't get the connection between these two lines and what follows. Plus it sounds like the opening of a "hard boiled dick" novel, e.g. Mickey Spillane's "Mike Hammer" novels.
 
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 "Aside the green was a hand pump, " Why "aside" instead of "beside"?
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 "it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green,"
 
 To me this reads awkwardly, and is somewhat confusing: (Just an example, not a suggestion)
 
 Beside the green was a hand pump—
 now long since removed—
 that brought fresh water from Chippewa River;
 clear, cold, and seamless, almost invisible.
 Left and in front of the green,
 the river swelled and flowed:
 it was always the water
 that held us together."
 --------------------------------------------------------------
 "I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life."
 
 Nice strong ending, ties it together well.
 -------------------------------------------------------
 
 Dale
 
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
 The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-19-2014, 07:26 AM)tomoffing Wrote:  As an avid golfer (and one taught by my father) I'm enjoying this immensely.
 The direct personal address in stanza one contrasts well with the golf course as a setting that puts distance between people. Allied with your precise and cold descriptive style this creates an impersonal yet intimate tone.
 
 The dewy morning, cold, clear water and "stroke of cold grace" images work beautifully.
 
 On the other hand, I found the punctuation a challenge at a couple of points.
 
 Minor opinions below.
 
 thanks a thousand,
 t
 
 
  (02-19-2014, 05:08 AM)71degrees Wrote:  A Preferred Lie
 Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met, Slightly cliched feeling in these opening lines, they don't really add to the poem.
 these yards of water and grass I would prefer if you opened here
 still connect me; it was you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game.
 
 Being here with you so many times,
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy the first comma hindered the flow
 mornings broken by cleated shoes; fine line
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance,
 a gentle draw off the tee. a great stanza throughout
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump,
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death "number four's tee box" draws out this line without adding much, i think "the fourth" works better without asking much of a non golfing reader. your call obviously
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life. last four lines are beautifully wrought.
 
Thanks for your attention to the commas. Appreciate it. The "fourth" also might work better. The poem started out as an ode to #4 (a real hole on the course I played as a kid) but my dad kind of took over the poem so to speak. 
 
Again, thanks for understanding a bit of the golf vernacular. Good luck w/your game.
 
  (02-19-2014, 08:37 AM)Erthona Wrote:  This is a nice sort of extended metaphor.
 "Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met,"
 
 These opening lines seem a tad trite, not to mention confusing. I may be dense, but I just don't get the connection between these two lines and what follows. Plus it sounds like the opening of a "hard boiled dick" novel, e.g. Mickey Spillane's "Mike Hammer" novels.
 
 -----------------------------------
 "Aside the green was a hand pump, " Why "aside" instead of "beside"?
 --------------------------------------
 "it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green,"
 
 To me this reads awkwardly, and is somewhat confusing: (Just an example, not a suggestion)
 
 Beside the green was a hand pump—
 now long since removed—
 that brought fresh water from Chippewa River;
 clear, cold, and seamless, almost invisible.
 Left and in front of the green,
 the river swelled and flowed:
 it was always the water
 that held us together."
 --------------------------------------------------------------
 "I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life."
 
 Nice strong ending, ties it together well.
 -------------------------------------------------------
 
 Dale
 
I loved Mike Hammer. Still do. I was in love w/Velda as much as Mike was.  I'm a theater writer. I like the word "aside" and sneak it into my poems sometimes. Also, I don't like "B" words as much. Hard to pronounce for some folks. But thanks for pointing it out. 
 
Thanks much for the look and the comments.  Appreciate all of them.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-19-2014, 05:08 AM)71degrees Wrote:  A Preferred Lie
 Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met,
 these yards of water and grass
 still connect me; it was you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game.
 
 Being here with you so many times,
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy
 mornings broken by cleated shoes;
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance,
 a gentle draw off the tee.
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump,
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life.
 
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A Preferred Lie
 
Of all the places I’ve never been oxford comma? :P 
and all the people I’ve never met, 
these yards of water and grass you, father, this span of water and grass; you, father, 
who taught me how to play the game. taught me how to play. 
Being here with you so many times, I recall being here with you so often 
and again, alone, last summer, dewy semi colon?--last summer; 
mornings broken by cleated shoes;(dewy) earth broken in by cleated shoes 
no matter how years end,  
your game remained a closed stance, em-dash here? 
a gentle draw off the tee.
 
Aside the green was a hand pump, small well? (if it could work) 
long since removed, water taken  
from the Chippewa River, clear ...river, the fissure clear and cold 
and cold, seamless, almost invisible; 
it was always the water, left of the green, my memory is in the water, left... 
in front of the green, the swell and flow  
of the river, that held us together. 
 
I don’t brood much about score,  
with all its work and walk,  
golf is the only game; returning  
to #4’s tee box five years after your death  
is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call over the call of wood doves? 
of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting I'm still a child, waiting 
by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn our river a slow turn 
away from your different kind of life. 
 
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Hey 71, 
 
Thank you for posting. The memories of your speaker are beautiful 
and haunting. I appreciate the water imagery and the observant  
narration. I made some edits for diction and a little punctuation. 
 
Your title implies that the speaker is caught in a day-dream, if you will,  
that concerns the "what ifs," or the selective truths of this speaker's memories.  
I almost want to see this title evolve into something like "In Another Light," or  
"If Kindness were my Father," (but maybe a little less dramatic than that) because  
the crux of this poem to me, really seems to revolve around the father figure of the speaker.  
It isn't the game and the memory of the game-- though this plays an intrinsic part, but I think that  
the game gives the speaker's father a great backdrop so the reader can 
really see into the life of these people. The game, which very much so seems to be golf,  
appears to be a strong vehicle for memory and the "essence" of who this other figure in the poem is. 
 
As the reader, I want to connect more to the title, since the poem is  
beautifully written, and contains important social themes. 
 
Looking forward to seeing more from you :-] 
VisualCondyle (Tara)
	 
"a light catches somewhere, finds human spirit to burn on...it dwells: slowly the light, its veracity unshaken, dies but moves to find a place to break out elsewhere; this light, tendance, neglect is human concern working with what is."- Ammons
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		 (02-20-2014, 02:55 AM)visualcondyle Wrote:   (02-19-2014, 05:08 AM)71degrees Wrote:  A Preferred Lie
 Of all the places I’ve never been
 and all the people I’ve never met,
 these yards of water and grass
 still connect me; it was you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game.
 
 Being here with you so many times,
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy
 mornings broken by cleated shoes;
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance,
 a gentle draw off the tee.
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump,
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green,
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life.
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 A Preferred Lie
 
 Of all the places I’ve never been oxford comma?
  and all the people I’ve never met,
 these yards of water and grass you, father, this span of water and grass; you, father,
 who taught me how to play the game. taught me how to play.
 
 Being here with you so many times, I recall being here with you so often
 and again, alone, last summer, dewy semi colon?--last summer;
 mornings broken by cleated shoes; (dewy) earth broken in by cleated shoes
 no matter how years end,
 your game remained a closed stance, em-dash here?
 a gentle draw off the tee.
 
 Aside the green was a hand pump, small well? (if it could work)
 long since removed, water taken
 from the Chippewa River, clear ...river, the fissure clear and cold
 and cold, seamless, almost invisible;
 it was always the water, left of the green, my memory is in the water, left...
 in front of the green, the swell and flow
 of the river, that held us together.
 
 I don’t brood much about score,
 with all its work and walk,
 golf is the only game; returning
 to #4’s tee box five years after your death
 is like a stroke of cold grace; among the call over the call of wood doves?
 of wood doves, I’m a man-child waiting I'm still a child, waiting
 by the water, knowing it’s only a slow turn our river a slow turn
 away from your different kind of life.
 
 --------
 
 Hey 71,
 
 Thank you for posting. The memories of your speaker are beautiful
 and haunting. I appreciate the water imagery and the observant
 narration. I made some edits for diction and a little punctuation.
 
 Your title implies that the speaker is caught in a day-dream, if you will,
 that concerns the "what ifs," or the selective truths of this speaker's memories.
 I almost want to see this title evolve into something like "In Another Light," or
 "If Kindness were my Father," (but maybe a little less dramatic than that) because
 the crux of this poem to me, really seems to revolve around the father figure of the speaker.
 It isn't the game and the memory of the game-- though this plays an intrinsic part, but I think that
 the game gives the speaker's father a great backdrop so the reader can
 really see into the life of these people. The game, which very much so seems to be golf,
 appears to be a strong vehicle for memory and the "essence" of who this other figure in the poem is.
 
 As the reader, I want to connect more to the title, since the poem is
 beautifully written, and contains important social themes.
 
 Looking forward to seeing more from you :-]
 VisualCondyle (Tara)
 
Thanks for your continuing attention to detail.  However, I can tell you don't golf    There are certain word usages (one is the title) that must remain. 
 
Like some of your suggestions about punctuation though.  Appreciate the look.
	 
		
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