burning the koran

[billy]

burning the koran.
everyone must have heard about it by now.

so minister in the usa and his congregation have decided to burn the koran on 9/11.

for the life of me i can't see a reason for this other than becoming famous, or infamous. they give athiest a reason to live. personally i'd stone the man.

[kath3]

Yet another idiot adding fuel to the fire. Geeze where do these people crawl out from?
Now when he's done burning someones holy books and they begin burning his, he'll be screaming for all to hear where his freedom of religion has gone?
These people are full to the brim with arrogance that they blind themselves from what the scriptures teach ... to love your neigbour as yourself ... to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I could better understand if it was an atheist doing this but a Christian Minister? What the hell has he been reading ... certainly not the bible.

[altezon]

Yet another idiot adding fuel to the fire. Geeze where do these people crawl out from?

It's our idiotic news-reporters who are doing the damage.

Now when he's done burning someones holy books and they begin burning his, he'll be screaming for all to hear where his freedom of religion has gone?

Having his bible burned by muslims may be insulting, but it doesn't affect his freedom of religion.

I could better understand if it was an atheist doing this but a Christian Minister?

Why would an atheist bother?

[altezon]

People that burn books are dangerous.

I think you mean some people who burn books are dangerous.
Also, people who overgeneralize are often dangerous when they imagine
simple solutions to complex problems. It's a matter of mental discipline, or the lack thereof.

[kath3]

It's our idiotic news-reporters who are doing the damage.

Actually it's all who get involved in this type of behaviour that cause damage. Whether you're the one who has instigated the idea or you are the one promoting/spreading the idea ... both are in the wrong. (and I'm not talking about ethical reporting of news, but rather the type of reporting that blows small incidents into huge ordeals for the intent of solely upping their network ratings.)

Having his bible burned by muslims may be insulting, but it doesn't affect his freedom of religion.

With idiots like this giving religion a bad rap, stirring up shit, pissing others off to the point of exploding emotions, and possibly igniting a war and then governments stepping in and saying enough is enough NO MORE RELIGION he'll have himself to thank for his 2 rotten peanuts.

Why would an atheist bother?

I just meant that I could understand more if it was atheists as they view religion as ridiculous in the first place. I struggle when I hear of a Christian acting in this way because of what they have been taught as far as treating others in a godly manner. And I'm not saying atheists are without love and compassion.

Gosh, altezon, are you in an off mood? What's with the picking apart? I think you got my drift without me having to explain in an indepth write up. ;fish;

[altezon]

Gosh, altezon, are you in an off mood? What's with the picking apart? I think you got my drift without me having to explain in an in depth write up. ;fish;

Gosh kath, my opinion differs from yours is all.

It's our idiotic news-reporters who are doing the damage.

Actually it's all who get involved in this type of behaviour that cause damage. Whether you're the one who has instigated the idea or you are the one promoting/spreading the idea ... both are in the wrong.

The proximate cause of the anticipated global affront to muslims is the news, not the otherwise impotent idiocy of a little 50-person church.

Having his bible burned by muslims may be insulting, but it doesn't affect his freedom of religion.

With idiots like this giving religion a bad rap, stirring up shit, pissing others off to the point of exploding emotions, and igniting a war and then governments stepping in and saying enough is enough NO MORE RELIGION he'll have himself to thank for his 2 rotten peanuts.

That's a pretty far-fetched chain of events. Polls indicate that believers number about 85% of the people on this planet -- hardly an endangered species.

Why would an atheist bother?

I just meant that I could understand more if it was atheists as they view religion as ridiculous in the first place.

Not necessarily -- an unknown percentage are open-minded. Some expressions of religious ideas could seem ridiculous, like the case in point.

I struggle when I hear of a Christian acting in this way because of what they have been taught as far as treating others in a godly manner.

Should have been taught, you mean. You never know.

And I'm not saying atheists are without love and compassion.

But more likely to make a news event out of burning the Qur'an? I don't think so.

[billy]

i've read the posts and theres way too much for me to resond too so i'll ramble.

first off twats like him would cry that his freedom of religion was being taken away if they burned the bile. it wouldn't be but he'd cry that it was. people who burn books are dangerous when it's done on a large scale in such a fashion. in the context of the thread and the pic of the fascist i took what vf to mean that way.

while the idiotic reporting of such an event may add power to the act. such acts should be reported. in my opinion the bad press the twats getting may make others thik twice and it also shows the world that he's more or less out there on his own. that said the news in theory report the news. in this instance it was the twat who made the news.

i too could understand an atheist doing something like this though i'd still be surprised.

all practising christians are taught to love they neighbour, there's no "should have been taught" about it. and every single leader in a christian church will preach that fact every sunday in church,

[kath3]

Gosh, altezon, are you in an off mood? What's with the picking apart? I think you got my drift without me having to explain in an in depth write up. ;fish;

Gosh kath, my opinion differs from yours is all.

It's our idiotic news-reporters who are doing the damage.

Actually it's all who get involved in this type of behaviour that cause damage. Whether you're the one who has instigated the idea or you are the one promoting/spreading the idea ... both are in the wrong.

The proximate cause of the anticipated global affront to muslims is the news, not the otherwise impotent idiocy of a little 50-person church.

Having his bible burned by muslims may be insulting, but it doesn't affect his freedom of religion.

With idiots like this giving religion a bad rap, stirring up shit, pissing others off to the point of exploding emotions, and igniting a war and then governments stepping in and saying enough is enough NO MORE RELIGION he'll have himself to thank for his 2 rotten peanuts.

That's a pretty far-fetched chain of events. Polls indicate that believers number about 85% of the people on this planet -- hardly an endangered species.

Why would an atheist bother?

I just meant that I could understand more if it was atheists as they view religion as ridiculous in the first place.

Not necessarily -- an unknown percentage are open-minded. Some expressions of religious ideas could seem ridiculous, like the case in point.

I struggle when I hear of a Christian acting in this way because of what they have been taught as far as treating others in a godly manner.

Should have been taught, you mean. You never know.

And I'm not saying atheists are without love and compassion.

But more likely to make a news event out of burning the Qur'an? I don't think so.

My apologies altezon, I was feeling a bit attacked, I now realize it was not your intention.

My bad. Late night ... early morning ... over tired ... bigger ego than I thought.

[srijantje]

anyway,i'm sure the fanatics on the other side aren't agreeing with me but i'd say,burn away,who cares?it's only paper with words printed on it,more where that came from,if these people want to make fools of themselves,let them

[billy]

i'd say the same thing except some others (on the other side are prepared to die or kill when shit like this happens) a stick is only a stick till you beat someone with it. it's a bit like me going up to a man and saying
"your wifes a tramp" many guys would break a nose, yet it was only a spoken word.

[srijantje]

they called it off

[altezon]

i've read the posts and theres way too much for me to resond too so i'll ramble.
first off twats like him would cry that his freedom of religion was being taken away if they burned the bible.

Nonsense, whoever 'they' might be. Why would you assume that?

people who burn books are dangerous when it's done on a large scale in such a fashion. in the context of the thread and the pic of the fascist i took what vf to mean that way.

He didn't say that, however much you'd like to clean it up for him.

all practising christians are taught to love they neighbour, there's no "should have been taught" about it. and every single leader in a christian church will preach that fact every sunday in church,

Saying it forcefully doesn't make it so.

1. The phrasing is "treating others in a godly manner" -- not "loving thy neighbor".
2. A Christian acting in an unChristianlike manner isn't a "practising Christian".
3. You can't possibly know what "every single Christian leader" will preach every Sunday.

My apologies altezon, I was feeling a bit attacked, I now realize it was not your intention.

Don't worry about it, kath.

they called it off

Not really. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress...LRaDRRWddQ

[kath3]

anyway,i'm sure the fanatics on the other side aren't agreeing with me but i'd say,burn away,who cares?it's only paper with words printed on it,more where that came from,if these people want to make fools of themselves,let them

In your eyes as with many others the bible and Qur'an are just books containing pages with words, with no more meaning than a novel or comic book. You may very well be blessed to have such freedom. But there is a multitude of people who hold to it's words with endearment ... with some willing to die and even kill for it. Is that crazy? absolutely! That's just how precious the bible is to many. It's a Holy book containing the word of God, an embodiment of the qualities of God; love, peace and hope, deservering respect and protection (as believers see it). I don't think of myself as overly religious but I too would feel a prick in the heart if I were to witness a bible burning, there's just something not right about it (imo).
I agree with vf, we need more tolerance. We don't need more ... well you did that so we're going to do this na na na na.
This preacher and his followers are not only a disgrace to the Christian population but to the human population in general. This type of provocation is not acceptable in this day and time.

[srijantje]

it's the idea behind the words,not the words printed on a piece of paper,that's important

[altezon]

How true.

[kath3]

it's the idea behind the words,not the words printed on a piece of paper,that's important

How true.

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Yes true and I agree, but many folks are very, very passionate about the bible, so passionate that they are blinded into stupidity.
Hardcore believers to a large extent personify the book. I'm just trying to get across just how extreme people will go to protect their book which they connect directly to God. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to mess with someones God/book.

[srijantje]

that's from both sides,i would think if you personify so much with the written word in your own holy book that you would respect somebody elses as well,obviously i'm wrong

[altezon]

Yes true and I agree, but many folks are very, very passionate about the bible, so passionate that they are blinded into stupidity.
Hardcore believers to a large extent personify the book. I'm just trying to get across just how extreme people will go to protect their book which they connect directly to God. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to mess with someones God/book.

that's from both sides,i would think if you personify so much with the written word in your own holy book that you would respect somebody elses as well,obviously i'm wrong

Dude, what are you talking about?

[srijantje]

i'm just saying if you don't want anybody to mess with YOUR holy book,why mess with somebody else's?

[altezon]

.

But she said she wouldn't want to mess with anybody's book.