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		Draft #2
I wonder what nothing weighs.  
Why is that absence weighs more  
than substance. Why is it that  
the hole takes up more space than  
the chunk of me taken. Taken by the  
ghost that passed through and didn’t  
leave all of me behind. 
  
It sticks like a splinter, the feeling   
that it was a mistake to let go, erase   
the imprint of her smile I juxtapose on others.  
Force the chitter of her laughter from the rafters  
of my mind like they were wrens scattered   
into the blanketed night. 
  
Nothing to do but watch the sands of time  
erode her immaculate statue, revealing  
the cracked clay it was built around.  
Its better this way, I tell myself. 
  
Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,  
it is the act of clearing the sweat, blood and tears,  
picking burlap sacks of rice and dragging them   
until all of the rice have fallen out of the   
small holes in the fabric. Until the bags becomes  
nothing, but a whisper on your skin.  
  
The definition of dramatic irony. 
  
I stand at the top of the mountain,  
a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining  
the path I carved through the brush, with four or five  
empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would  
want is to share this sight with you. 
  
And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more. 
 Quote:Draft #1
 
 Missing is a pain that is inequitable.
 It can not fit within the small confines of
 logic, or reason, time or space.
 It is the presence of the absence.
 The infinite weight of the endless void.
 A tug on the heart. A ghost who drifts
 through the body leaving a gap.
 At the tips of the fingers but just out of reach.
 It isn't simply the feeling of grief, or despair.
 Those are too kind of emotions.
 This is not a wound that heals over in
 allocations of time or effort.
 To fight the feeling is to give it power.
 By seeing the problem, one lets it
 make a home within the heart.
 Letting go is worse than simply missing.
 It is the choice to feel that pain. To put
 on the vestige of a masochist and drink
 the rotten poison that eats from the inside.
 Nothing replaces the piece you willingly took
 from yourself. Reason cannot force my heart
 to quicken its sluggish, somber beat,
 or quell the waves crashing at the back of my eyes.
 I cannot take off the mask of constant regret.
 Cannot shake the feeling that it was a mistake
 to ever dream of letting go, to ever attempt to wipe
 the smile from my dreams, to ever force the chitter
 of her laughter from the rafters of my mind like they
 were doves scattered into the blanketed night.
 There is nothing to do but let her slip away.
 Nothing to do but watch the memories
 drain like sand in the hourglass of time.
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of wiping the sweat, blood and tears
 from his face and picking burlap sacks of rice
 and dragging them until all of the rice have fallen
 out of the small holes in the fabric. And the worst
 part is, as I stand at the top of the mountain,
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you.
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		Hi, belkar, welcome to the Pig Pen. I've read this many times but find it difficult to critique. I find the beginning so cliche ridden I fear you are losing readers who never get to your fine final strophe. I've put a few notes below.  (02-14-2015, 05:21 AM)belkar Wrote:  Missing is a pain that is inequitable. It can not fit within the small confines of
 logic, or reason, time or space.
 It is the presence of the absence.
 The infinite weight of the endless void.
 A tug on the heart. A ghost who drifts
 through the body leaving a gap.
 At the tips of the fingers but just out of reach.
 I am finding nothing new here, a bunch of cliches strung together.
 
 It isn't simply the feeling of grief, or despair.
 Those are too kind of emotions. This is awkward.
 This is not a wound that heals over in
 allocations of time or effort.
 To fight the feeling is to give it power.
 By seeing the problem, one lets it
 make a home within the heart.
 Again, nothing really new here.
 
 Letting go is worse than simply missing.
 It is the choice to feel that pain. To put
 on the vestige of a masochist and drink
 the rotten poison that eats from the inside.
 Nothing replaces the piece you willingly took
 from yourself. Reason cannot force my heart
 to quicken its sluggish, somber beat,
 or quell the waves crashing at the back of my eyes.
 Sorry, it just sounds same old, same old to me.
 
 I cannot take off the mask of constant regret.
 Cannot shake the feeling that it was a mistake
 to ever dream of letting go, to ever attempt to wipe
 the smile from my dreams, to ever force the chitter
 of her laughter from the rafters of my mind like they  I love chitter and it's a beautiful image. I might have chose a different bird, maybe wrens.
 were doves scattered into the blanketed night.
 There is nothing to do but let her slip away.
 Nothing to do but watch the memories
 drain like sand in the hourglass of time.
 
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of wiping the sweat, blood and tears
 from his face and picking burlap sacks of rice
 and dragging them until all of the rice have fallen Great image here.
 out of the small holes in the fabric. And the worst
 part is, as I stand at the top of the mountain, Not a fan of And the worst part is.
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining beautiful
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you.
 I think this has great potential, you might want to rework the breaks, some are awkward and some just ineffective to me.
 
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more.
 strong ending.
 
I hope this helps a bit, and that someone else will come along to give you more useful advice. Best I could do.   
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		Thank you for your reply. I looked over the poem and I think I agree that the ending is more powerful. I did some serious editing, and I condensed the poem a lot. I tried to use less words, more content. Here is the edited poem.
 Draft #2
 I wonder what nothing weighs.
 Why is that absence weighs more
 than substance. Why is it that
 the hole takes up more space than
 the chunk of me taken. Taken by the
 ghost that passed through and didn’t
 leave all of me behind.
 It sticks like a splinter, the feeling
 that it was a mistake to let go, erase
 the imprint of her smile I juxtapose on others.
 Force the chitter of her laughter from the rafters
 of my mind like they were wrens scattered
 into the blanketed night.
 Nothing to do but watch the sands of time
 erode her immaculate statue, revealing
 the cracked clay it was built around.
 Its better this way, I tell myself.
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of clearing the sweat, blood and tears,
 picking burlap sacks of rice and dragging them
 until all of the rice have fallen out of the
 small holes in the fabric. Until the bags becomes
 nothing, but a whisper on your skin.
 The definition of dramatic irony.
 I stand at the top of the mountain,
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you.
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		Hi belkar, the custom of the site is to place your edit above your original, that way newcomers to the thread critique the current version.  
Also, did you mean to leave out the spaces between strophes? Oh, quick edit can lose your formatting but full edit won't. Be back to read.   
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		i copied and pasted the 2nd draft onto the original for those who commented previously. as it is i'll leave feedback on the 2nd draft only without comparison. 
you have to go over the poem and make sure you don't miss an word out. that's okay in novice and in serious too if it's the only problem but everything here feels over developed. we can't see the picture because there's too much going on. try and dig out the bones from all the excess flesh and see what's left. then you can pad some of the sharper edges if you want to
 
lines like; 
the hole takes up more space can be something to work with  
and Force the chitter of her laughter from the rafters
 
and
Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground, 
there are more [though not too many] find them and make the poem from them  
this;
 Nothing to do but watch the sands of time
 
is cliche, cliche unless used purposefully and well add nothing to poetry they tear down the readers imagination and make his thoughts mundane.  
 
there are many lines that say too little (not enough bang for their buck) if a sentence add too little, change or remove it, it isn't doing it's job. 
 
you have some really good lines in the poem but they're buried. dig them out and polish them up     (02-19-2015, 06:00 AM)belkar Wrote:  Thank you for your reply. I looked over the poem and I think I agree that the ending is more powerful. I did some serious editing, and I condensed the poem a lot. I tried to use less words, more content. Here is the edited poem.
 Draft #2
 I wonder what nothing weighs. [i wonder] sort of dilutes a reasonable question [what does nothing weigh?]
 Why is that absence weighs more where is the [it] apart from that try and be more succinct; [why is absence heavier]
 than substance. Why is it that
 the hole takes up more space than
 the chunk of me taken. Taken by the
 ghost that passed through and didn’t
 leave all of me behind.
 It sticks like a splinter, the feeling
 that it was a mistake to let go, erase
 the imprint of her smile I juxtapose on others.
 Force the chitter of her laughter from the rafters
 of my mind like they were wrens scattered
 into the blanketed night.
 Nothing to do but watch the sands of time
 erode her immaculate statue, revealing
 the cracked clay it was built around.
 Its better this way, I tell myself.
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of clearing the sweat, blood and tears,
 picking burlap sacks of rice and dragging them
 until all of the rice have fallen out of the
 small holes in the fabric. Until the bags becomes
 nothing, but a whisper on your skin.
 The definition of dramatic irony.
 I stand at the top of the mountain,
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you.
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-14-2015, 05:21 AM)belkar Wrote:  Draft #2
 I wonder what nothing weighs.
 Why is that absence weighs more
 than substance? Why is it that
 the hole takes up more space than
 the chunk of me taken? Taken by the
 ghost that passed through and didn’t What ghost?
 leave all of me behind. The passive voice is not helping you here.
 
 It sticks like a splinter, the feeling
 that it was a mistake to let go, erase
 the imprint of her smile I juxtapose on others. Wait, what? Who does 'her' refer to, the ghost? How does one juxtapose the imprint of a smile in the first place, much less inflict said juxtaposition on others?
 Force the chitter of her laughter from the rafters Was she a really creepy girlfriend, with her chittering laughter?
 of my mind like they were wrens scattered  Bats chitter, not wrens. Who is 'they' ? If it's 'her laughter' it would be "it was." If it's the wrens, then it would be "Force the wrens of the chitter of her laughter from the rafters of my mind and scatter them into the blanketed night." Yikes.
 into the blanketed night. I do like "blanketed night."
 
 Nothing to do but watch the sands of time Woop! Woop! Cliché alert!
 erode her immaculate statue, revealing
 the cracked clay it was built around. I don't know what kind of statue has a clay core.
 Its better this way, I tell myself. Why? Why is it better? Why?
 
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of clearing the sweat, blood and tears, Woop! Woop! Cliché alert!
 picking up burlap sacks of rice and dragging them
 until all of the rice have fallen out of the  has fallen
 small holes in the fabric. Until the bags becomes bags become; bag becomes
 nothing, but a whisper on your skin.  why is that comma there? Also burlap doesn't 'whisper' on your skin, even if the bags are empty. Burlap is scratchy.
 
 The definition of dramatic irony. Huh?
 
 I stand at the top of the mountain,
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you. Why would anyone want to look at a bloody, sweaty, tearful guy who dragged a bunch of leaky burlap bags of rice through the jungle to the top of a mountain for no explainable reason?
 
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more. Huh? Well, if you are at the top of the mountain with magic bags of rice, better mend those leaks before you keep climbing. Also where did the ghost go that stole chunks of you? What happened to the immaculate eroding clay statue? Why is it better this way? What happened to those chittering bat-wrens after they got tangled in the blanketing night?
 
 
 Quote:Draft #1
 
 Missing is a pain that is inequitable.
 It can not fit within the small confines of
 logic, or reason, time or space.
 It is the presence of the absence.
 The infinite weight of the endless void.
 A tug on the heart. A ghost who drifts
 through the body leaving a gap.
 At the tips of the fingers but just out of reach.
 It isn't simply the feeling of grief, or despair.
 Those are too kind of emotions.
 This is not a wound that heals over in
 allocations of time or effort.
 To fight the feeling is to give it power.
 By seeing the problem, one lets it
 make a home within the heart.
 Letting go is worse than simply missing.
 It is the choice to feel that pain. To put
 on the vestige of a masochist and drink
 the rotten poison that eats from the inside.
 Nothing replaces the piece you willingly took
 from yourself. Reason cannot force my heart
 to quicken its sluggish, somber beat,
 or quell the waves crashing at the back of my eyes.
 I cannot take off the mask of constant regret.
 Cannot shake the feeling that it was a mistake
 to ever dream of letting go, to ever attempt to wipe
 the smile from my dreams, to ever force the chitter
 of her laughter from the rafters of my mind like they
 were doves scattered into the blanketed night.
 There is nothing to do but let her slip away.
 Nothing to do but watch the memories
 drain like sand in the hourglass of time.
 Letting go isn't a hiker resting his pack to the ground,
 it is the act of wiping the sweat, blood and tears
 from his face and picking burlap sacks of rice
 and dragging them until all of the rice have fallen
 out of the small holes in the fabric. And the worst
 part is, as I stand at the top of the mountain,
 a trail of rice snaking beneath my feet outlining
 the path I carved through the brush, with four or five
 empty burlap sacks held in my hand, all I would
 want is to share this sight with you.
 And just like that, my bags refill, and I start my trek once more.
 
		
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