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		Winter spies us curled like bugsround sheaths of wheat.
 
 The take out cartons,
 empty cola cans,
 
 books unread
 and battered shoes,
 
 like a photograph
 developing backwards
 
 slowly fade
 into the dark,
 
 beginning with a scene
 and ending in a blur.
 
 I grind my erection
 against your kneecap,
 
 you smile in your sleep
 and pull me closer.
 
 
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		Quote:We are curled on the bedthrough this winter evening. [feels a little cliche]
 
 The takeout cartons, [is take out one word?]
 empty cola cans,  [love the way you don't brand the cola]
 
 books never read
 and battered formal shoes,
 
 slowly fade
 into the dark,  [is 'the' needed?]
 
 like a photograph
 developing backwards,
 
 beginning with a scene
 and ending in a blur.
 
 I grind my erection
 against your kneecap,
 
 you smile in your sleep
 and pull me closer.  [feels a little weak]
 
would the 5th couplet read better as the 4th and vice versa? 
would the last couple read better as the 2nd to last and vice versa? 
i found the poem to be very light; echoing a common scene most of us have been through. for me the opening couplet could of been more original 
and so could the last (maybe) other than that it worked well for me. 
 
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		Thank you for your feedback, Billy   I see this as being quite an airy poem, like one of those princess loo roll covers, so I see your point about it being light. 
I often have trouble beginning and rounding off my pieces, which drives me insane, as they're the most important parts  
The first couplet annoys me more than the last, which I see as just a bit cute, and no doubt better suited to the middle of a verse, rather than the final note. That opening one, however, really bugs me in hindsight. Calling it a little  cliche is very generous; it's so Mills&Boon that if you showed it to a bored housewife she'd probably start masturbating. 
The reason I didn't brand the cola is because I've already mentioned one label in a previous piece, and I don't want people to think that I'm on their payroll  
That idea about switching the verses around makes a lot of sense. I'll make an edit and see how I feel about it. 
I'm not sure takeout is one word... I'll divide it once I've finished this. 
Thanks again for the feedback   
EDIT: Turns out I love your couplet switcharoo   It gives the "dark" line more emphasis.
 
SECOND EDIT: Also changed the first couplet.
	
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		the first couplet is now original   
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		11-29-2010, 09:23 PM 
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		Hi Jack,
 The revision really kicked it up a notch. I love how the opening is totally unexpected now (especially for a love poem). The S4 and S5 switch also makes the images you're working with pop out more (which is great).
 
 I think it's a very effective poem. The ending couplet doesn't bother me enough to pull it necessarily, but I am a big fan of ending and beginning poems on the strongest lines (which I don't always do myself--so apart from that minor thing haha). Another option for you would be to go with something like this:
 
 Winter spies us curled like bugs
 round sheaths of wheat.
 
 The take out cartons,
 empty cola cans,
 
 books unread
 and battered shoes,
 
 I grind my erection
 against your kneecap,
 
 you smile in your sleep
 and pull me closer.
 
 like a photograph
 developing backwards
 
 slowly fade
 into the dark,
 
 beginning with a scene
 and ending in a blur.
 
 I like that change because of what blur implies. Oh well, it's a good poem as you have it. I just wanted to pass another option your way.
 
 Best,
 
 Todd
 
 
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		Thank you for the feedback and kind words Todd   Would re-arranging those couplets in that way hurt the poem's coherence? I love your idea about ending on the strongest line, but I'm not sure if that would make sense.
	
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		Well, you'll have to go with your instincts on that Jack. It makes sense to me with the rearrangement. I can make the Like a photograph transition without any problem. If you can't than I'd stay away from it. It has to feel organically right to you.
	 
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		I can't really mention anything that hasn't already been said about this poem. "Like a photograph developing backwards" is an awesome line; it's something I might play off of later.
 Just one thing: "battered shoes" sounds kind of weak. I don't know if " battered" is the best way to describe them...
 But this is just my preference. Perhaps there's a better adjective?
 
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		 (12-08-2010, 08:58 PM)Lawrence Wrote:  I can't really mention anything that hasn't already been said about this poem. "Like a photograph developing backwards" is an awesome line; it's something I might play off of later.
 Just one thing: "battered shoes" sounds kind of weak. I don't know if " battered" is the best way to describe them...
 But this is just my preference. Perhaps there's a better adjective?
 
 Thanks as always.
 
The original phrase was: "battered formal shoes," but I shortened it for the sake of being more concise. I see what you mean; the adjective is rather old hat. 
Thanks for the feedback and kind words, Lawrence   
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		12-09-2010, 09:36 AM 
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		i like how this one has progressed jack. sometimes i see a poem get to much of an edit (over edited) this one just got enough, maybe the shoe adjective can be sorted but on the whole i think it's a great working edit. jmo
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (12-09-2010, 09:36 AM)billy Wrote:  i like how this one has progressed jack. sometimes i see a poem get to much of an edit (over edited) this one just got enough, maybe the shoe adjective can be sorted but on the whole i think it's a great working edit. jmo 
Thanks Billy   I much prefer the couplet I devised to begin the poem after reading your comments, so I think this has developed quite well. I'm often afraid of editing my work lest it fall apart, therefore this small success is all the sweeter   
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