Please do not argue in the poetry threads

[Quixilated]

Hello all members, 

Please remember that you should not make your arguments in the poetry threads. It only ever makes things escalate and that distracts from the poem. If you want to argue about or discuss comments, other members, or anything else, please remember to take it to the arse or sewer so that it won't be my problem.  Even if you feel you have justice and reason on your side, please prove that outside the poetry threads.  The threads should only be for discussing the poem, not for discussing critique or other members.  Please do not comment on the critique, no matter how unflattering or illegible or unhelpful it may be.  If you don't like it, just walk away or please use the "comments you would like to have made" thread (or whatever that was called).  Please don't stress me out up here. 

Thank you ever so much,
--Quix

[milo]

Hello all members, 

Please remember that you should not make your arguments in the poetry threads. It only ever makes things escalate and that distracts from the poem. If you want to argue about or discuss comments, other members, or anything else, please remember to take it to the arse or sewer so that it won't be my problem.  Even if you feel you have justice and reason on your side, please prove that outside the poetry threads.  The threads should only be for discussing the poem, not for discussing critique or other members.  Please do not comment on the critique, no matter how unflattering or illegible or unhelpful it may be.  If you don't like it, just walk away or please use the "comments you would like to have made" thread (or whatever that was called).  Please don't stress me out up here. 

Thank you ever so much,
--Quix

can also natter on about it in the koffeklatch if you so choose

[Quixilated]

Yes, exactly. Anywhere as long as it's not in the poetry threads.
I don't care what is being said. I only care where it is being said.

[wasellajam]

Thank you for the reminder, much appreciated.

[milo]

Thank you for the reminder, much appreciated.

It was timely as well - ella was just about to start a big argument and this prevented that!

I, as a longtime upstanding member, approve of both the message and the timliness

[milo]

a small (very small) matter of confusion that has risen amongst the poetry loving masses (not myself who is just an agent for their demands) but, and really this is just a triviality, is it ok to argue in threads requesting we not argue inthe poetry threads (and this is not foreshadowing in any way so I don't want you to take it that way)

[rowens]

Is it ok if I quickly make it clear that the majority of this thread so far took place on Z. Deschanel's birthday?

[milo]

Is it ok if I quickly make it clear that the majority of this thread so far took place on Z. Deschanel's birthday?

you see - this is exactly the type of issue that resides on a murky precipice with regards to the rulez.  I am glad you brought it up, honestly, I was afraid to break some line item lost in a hidden codex while innocently making some casual observation.

(a note to the moderators - if demerits are to be handed out, it was rowens that actually broke the rulez here, I have stayed mostly on topic)

[rowens]

I'm glad to be scapegoat andor bait andor test dummy andor cuckold fetish f-boy in any situation.

[rowens]

I prefer, Naive Observer.

[Quixilated]

a small (very small) matter of confusion that has risen amongst the poetry loving masses (not myself who is just an agent for their demands) but, and really this is just a triviality, is it ok to argue in threads requesting we not argue inthe poetry threads (and this is not foreshadowing in any way so I don't want you to take it that way)

At this current point in my existence, I really don't care much what is happening as long as the majority of the long-term members are having fun and are feeling like this is where they want to be and that they are safe here. 

If by "argue" you mean good-natured banter, discussions and digressions sprung naturally from the wellspring of opposing views, or other innocuous human interactions, then, yes, there is some wiggle room for that. Within reason, and with caveats.

If by "argue" you mean trolling, mocking, bullying, or any similar heated altercation where both parties are likely to become genuinely upset and every post is a larger stick with which to hit the opponent over the head eventually leading for calls to ban or threads being moved to the sewer, then no, you may not argue in that way anywhere other than the sewer. There are many reasons, but the one that is most relevant is that it stresses me out and also requires a lot of effort from me because I have to stick around and monitor the whole thing. These inevitably end in the sewer, so I see no reason why they can't start there as well and save me the trouble. 


 If you want to argue in the threads, I won't stop you.  
However, the rules (here and anywhere outside the sewer) are: 
1. The three poetry workshops remain sacred. If this rule goes, so do I.
2. The definition of "arguing" must fit the first definition, not the second.
3. If the OP is not part of the digression, I reserve the right to split the thread. 
4. You should try to also give comments on the topic of the original post. I think of threads like someone's private living room.  You shouldn't ignore the host if you want to enjoy the party.
5. Not all members want their poetry threads to be derailed into someone else's improv or comedy or philosophical questions.  Some members prefer their threads to focus on their poem. If the OP doesn't like the digression, the digression will be deleted or split. 
6. I don't mind if you chatter on my information/announcement posts, if that is the question, but I don't want an announcement to end up in the sewer.  I want it to be wherever I put it.  So try to keep the banter to above-the-arse things.   
7. You can't bully people outside of the sewer. I know it was allowed in the old days, but it stresses me out more than you can possibly imagine. 



TL;DR: banter is fine, bullying is not. Workshops are off limits, other threads require OP's blessing. 

I would be curious to hear feedback from members on this topic.  Who doesn't mind if their thread is derailed?  Who does mind?  What should the parameters be for acceptable chat vs digression that should be moved? And any other thoughts.  I never know for sure how the members feel on this topic.  Do they think the chit chat makes it feel friendly and like a home? Do they think the chit chat takes focus away from the poem?  Other thoughts?

[milo]

a small (very small) matter of confusion that has risen amongst the poetry loving masses (not myself who is just an agent for their demands) but, and really this is just a triviality, is it ok to argue in threads requesting we not argue inthe poetry threads (and this is not foreshadowing in any way so I don't want you to take it that way)

At this current point in my existence, I really don't care much what is happening as long as the majority of the long-term members are having fun and are feeling like this is where they want to be and that they are safe here. 

If by "argue" you mean good-natured banter, discussions and digressions sprung naturally from the wellspring of opposing views, or other innocuous human interactions, then, yes, there is some wiggle room for that. Within reason, and with caveats.

If by "argue" you mean trolling, mocking, bullying, or any similar heated altercation where both parties are likely to become genuinely upset and every post is a larger stick with which to hit the opponent over the head eventually leading for calls to ban or threads being moved to the sewer, then no, you may not argue in that way anywhere other than the sewer. There are many reasons, but the one that is most relevant is that it stresses me out and also requires a lot of effort from me because I have to stick around and monitor the whole thing. These inevitably end in the sewer, so I see no reason why they can't start there as well and save me the trouble. 


 If you want to argue in the threads, I won't stop you.  
However, the rules (here and anywhere outside the sewer) are: 
1. The three poetry workshops remain sacred. If this rule goes, so do I.
2. The definition of "arguing" must fit the first definition, not the second.
3. If the OP is not part of the digression, I reserve the right to split the thread. 
4. You should try to also give comments on the topic of the original post. I think of threads like someone's private living room.  You shouldn't ignore the host if you want to enjoy the party.
5. Not all members want their poetry threads to be derailed into someone else's improv or comedy or philosophical questions.  Some members prefer their threads to focus on their poem. If the OP doesn't like the digression, the digression will be deleted or split. 
6. I don't mind if you chatter on my information/announcement posts, if that is the question, but I don't want an announcement to end up in the sewer.  I want it to be wherever I put it.  So try to keep the banter to above-the-arse things.   
7. You can't bully people outside of the sewer. I know it was allowed in the old days, but it stresses me out more than you can possibly imagine. 



TL;DR: banter is fine, bullying is not. Workshops are off limits, other threads require OP's blessing. 

I would be curious to hear feedback from members on this topic.  Who doesn't mind if their thread is derailed?  Who does mind?  What should the parameters be for acceptable chat vs digression that should be moved? And any other thoughts.  I never know for sure how the members feel on this topic.  Do they think the chit chat makes it feel friendly and like a home? Do they think the chit chat takes focus away from the poem?  Other thoughts?

That was a way longer reply than the question deserved . . .

[Quixilated]

That was a way longer reply than the question deserved . . .

Yes, I know. 

But the question comes up a lot, or circumstances often arise where I wouldn't mind knowing what the majority consensus is, so I took the opening.

[milo]

That was a way longer reply than the question deserved . . .

Yes, I know. 

But the question comes up a lot, or circumstances often arise where I wouldn't mind knowing what the majority consensus is, so I took the opening.

fair enough.  I don't mind if anyone hijacks my thread.  i have occasionally tried to steer it back on topic if I want to practice specific techniques but even then it's just so I don't lose focus

[wasellajam]

Hi Quix!

I think the workshops need to stay clean with friendly chitchat limited to the poem or points brought up through crit, preferably with the op involved in any discussion.

Misc and Fun are a gray area. To crit or not. To respond with an answering poem or not. To babble about what the poem made you remember about fourth grade or not. I stop to think a moment on what to post. It would be nice if the thread doesn't spiral, but if the OP wants to protect it they can post in a workshop, no one is forced to edit there and the thread will stay focused.

On discussion threads I don't care if they eventually change tracks or unravel, anyone can always post a fresh thread on the same subject or ask a mod to split it.

As someone who enjoys kind, friendly, joking banter I'm really curious about what everyone has to say about this. Thanks Quix.

[rowens]

"Middle English: from Old French arguer, from Latin argutari ‘prattle’, frequentative of arguere ‘make clear'."

Which means, "If a fool persists in his folly, he will become wise."

That's poetry related.