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		 (11-09-2014, 10:18 PM)SimikPK Wrote:  Thanx ray, you are right about the self-referrence, I don't know why i messed up.. probably wasn't paying enough attention. Love your examples, especially the short ones  I wonder how to handle the self-refferential poem in a way that it yet has not been done. 
An existentially circular self-referential poem that I love:
 
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		Actually took me a while to "Aha!".. love it.
	 
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		 (11-10-2014, 03:28 AM)SimikPK Wrote:  Actually took me a while to "Aha!".. love it.   Though I made a mistake with the description as the poem itself isn't self-referential, just its content.
	 
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		Lapsed Catholics by Andrew Falkous
 Whose prison break is the most impressive?
 I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Tim Robbins in Jacob's Ladder.
 Such patience, such verve and poise,
 But wait a minute, shit, that's the wrong film.
 Morgan Freeman would roll in his grave, if he were dead,
 Which he nearly was, if you believe the hysterical gung-ho Technicolor crapfest
 That is Sky News, or Murdoch live, or whatever the hell the devil calls himself.
 Sky News, or Murdoch live, or whatever the hell the devil calls himself.
 I preferred him when he was red and blatant, that guy.
 I liked him better when he swooped around the land indiscriminately,
 Bending wills and souls with glee,
 Hurrying kids to their graves in the sea.
 Magnetically debasing the casts of the earth
 In a terrible, wonderful focus of horrors,
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		Sunday Morning by Wallace Stevens
 Complacencies of the peignoir, and late
 Coffee and oranges in a sunny chair,
 And the green freedom of a cockatoo
 Upon a rug mingle to dissipate
 The holy hush of ancient sacrifice.
 She dreams a little, and she feels the dark
 Encroachment of that old catastrophe,
 As a calm darkens among water-lights.
 The pungent oranges and bright, green wings
 Seem things in some procession of the dead,
 Winding across wide water, without sound.
 The day is like wide water, without sound,
 Stilled for the passing of her dreaming feet
 Over the seas, to silent Palestine,
 Dominion of the blood and sepulchre.
 
 
 II
 
 Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
 What is divinity if it can come
 Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
 Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
 In pungent fruit and bright, green wings, or else
 In any balm or beauty of the earth,
 Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
 Divinity must live within herself:
 Passions of rain, or moods in falling snow;
 Grievings in loneliness, or unsubdued
 Elations when the forest blooms; gusty
 Emotions on wet roads on autumn nights;
 All pleasures and all pains, remembering
 The bough of summer and the winter branch.
 These are the measures destined for her soul.
 
 
 III
 
 Jove in the clouds had his inhuman birth.
 No mother suckled him, no sweet land gave
 Large-mannered motions to his mythy mind.
 He moved among us, as a muttering king,
 Magnificent, would move among his hinds,
 Until our blood, commingling, virginal,
 With heaven, brought such requital to desire
 The very hinds discerned it, in a star.
 Shall our blood fail? Or shall it come to be
 The blood of paradise? And shall the earth
 Seem all of paradise that we shall know?
 The sky will be much friendlier then than now,
 A part of labor and a part of pain,
 And next in glory to enduring love,
 Not this dividing and indifferent blue.
 
 
 IV
 
 She says, “I am content when wakened birds,
 Before they fly, test the reality
 Of misty fields, by their sweet questionings;
 But when the birds are gone, and their warm fields
 Return no more, where, then, is paradise?”
 There is not any haunt of prophecy,
 Nor any old chimera of the grave,
 Neither the golden underground, nor isle
 Melodious, where spirits gat them home,
 Nor visionary south, nor cloudy palm
 Remote on heaven’s hill, that has endured
 As April’s green endures; or will endure
 Like her remembrance of awakened birds,
 Or her desire for June and evening, tipped
 By the consummation of the swallow’s wings.
 
 
 V
 
 She says, “But in contentment I still feel
 The need of some imperishable bliss.”
 Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her,
 Alone, shall come fulfilment to our dreams
 And our desires. Although she strews the leaves
 Of sure obliteration on our paths,
 The path sick sorrow took, the many paths
 Where triumph rang its brassy phrase, or love
 Whispered a little out of tenderness,
 She makes the willow shiver in the sun
 For maidens who were wont to sit and gaze
 Upon the grass, relinquished to their feet.
 She causes boys to pile new plums and pears
 On disregarded plate. The maidens taste
 And stray impassioned in the littering leaves.
 
 
 VI
 
 Is there no change of death in paradise?
 Does ripe fruit never fall? Or do the boughs
 Hang always heavy in that perfect sky,
 Unchanging, yet so like our perishing earth,
 With rivers like our own that seek for seas
 They never find, the same receding shores
 That never touch with inarticulate pang?
 Why set the pear upon those river banks
 Or spice the shores with odors of the plum?
 Alas, that they should wear our colors there,
 The silken weavings of our afternoons,
 And pick the strings of our insipid lutes!
 Death is the mother of beauty, mystical,
 Within whose burning bosom we devise
 Our earthly mothers waiting, sleeplessly.
 
 
 VII
 
 Supple and turbulent, a ring of men
 Shall chant in orgy on a summer morn
 Their boisterous devotion to the sun,
 Not as a god, but as a god might be,
 Naked among them, like a savage source.
 Their chant shall be a chant of paradise,
 Out of their blood, returning to the sky;
 And in their chant shall enter, voice by voice,
 The windy lake wherein their lord delights,
 The trees, like serafin, and echoing hills,
 That choir among themselves long afterward.
 They shall know well the heavenly fellowship
 Of men that perish and of summer morn.
 And whence they came and whither they shall go
 The dew upon their feet shall manifest.
 
 
 VIII
 
 She hears, upon that water without sound,
 A voice that cries, “The tomb in Palestine
 Is not the porch of spirits lingering.
 It is the grave of Jesus, where he lay.”
 We live in an old chaos of the sun,
 Or old dependency of day and night,
 Or island solitude, unsponsored, free,
 Of that wide water, inescapable.
 Deer walk upon our mountains, and the quail
 Whistle about us their spontaneous cries;
 Sweet berries ripen in the wilderness;
 And, in the isolation of the sky,
 At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
 Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
 Downward to darkness, on extended wings.
 
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		No Doctor's Today, Thank You - Ogden Nash
 
 They tell me that euphoria is the feeling of feeling wonderful, well, today I feel euphorian,
 Today I have the agility of a Greek god and the appetite of a Victorian.
 Yes, today I may even go forth without my galoshes,
 Today I am a swashbuckler, would anybody like me to buckle any swashes?
 This is my euphorian day,
 I will ring welkins and before anybody answers I will run away.
 I will tame me a caribou
 And bedeck it with marabou.
 I will pen me my memoirs.
 Ah youth, youth! What euphorian days them was!
 I wasn't much of a hand for the boudoirs,
 I was generally to be found where the food was.
 Does anybody want any flotsam?
 I've gotsam.
 Does anybody want any jetsam?
 I can getsam.
 I can play chopsticks on the Wurlitzer,
 I can speak Portuguese like a Berlitzer.
 I can don or doff my shoes without tying or untying the laces because I am wearing moccasins,
 And I practically know the difference between serums and antitoccasins.
 Kind people, don't think me purse-proud, don't set me down as vainglorious,
 I'm just a little euphorious.
 
 
 
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		A Sea Dirge
 There are certain things - as, a spider, a ghost,
 The income-tax, gout, an umbrella for three -
 That I hate, but the thing that I hate the most
 Is a thing they call the Sea.
 Pour some salt water over the floor -
 Ugly I'm sure you'll allow it to be:
 Suppose it extended a mile or more,
 THAT'S very like the Sea.
 Beat a dog till it howls outright -
 Cruel, but all very well for a spree:
 Suppose that he did so day and night,
 THAT would be like the Sea.
 I had a vision of nursery-maids;
 Tens of thousands passed by me -
 All leading children with wooden spades,
 And this was by the Sea.
 Who invented those spades of wood?
 Who was it cut them out of the tree?
 None, I think, but an idiot could -
 Or one that loved the Sea.
 It is pleasant and dreamy, no doubt, to float
 With 'thoughts as boundless, and souls as free':
 But, suppose you are very unwell in the boat,
 How do you like the Sea?
 There is an insect that people avoid
 (Whence is derived the verb 'to flee').
 Where have you been by it most annoyed?
 In lodgings by the Sea.
 If you like your coffee with sand for dregs,
 A decided hint of salt in your tea,
 And a fishy taste in the very eggs -
 By all means choose the Sea.
 And if, with these dainties to drink and eat,
 You prefer not a vestige of grass or tree,
 And a chronic state of wet in your feet,
 Then - I recommend the Sea.
 For I have friends who dwell by the coast -
 Pleasant friends they are to me!
 It is when I am with them I wonder most
 That anyone likes the Sea.
 They take me a walk: though tired and stiff,
 To climb the heights I madly agree;
 And, after a tumble or so from the cliff,
 They kindly suggest the Sea.
 I try the rocks, and I think it cool
 That they laugh with such an excess of glee,
 As I heavily slip into every pool
 That skirts the cold cold Sea.
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		NZ Maori poet Hone Tuwhare - brilliant
 
 Rain
 
 
 I can hear you
 
 making small holes
 in the silence
 rain
 
 If I were deaf
 the pores of my skin
 would open to you
 and shut
 
 And I
 should know you
 by the lick of you
 if I were blind
 
 the something
 special smell of you
 when the sun cakes
 the ground
 
 the steady
 drum-roll sound
 you make
 when the wind drops
 
 But if I
 should not hear
 smell or feel or see
 you
 
 you would still
 define me
 disperse me
 wash over me
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		Carroll is one of my favourite poets and this is part of he reason why. i think he's very underrated.   (11-20-2014, 10:30 AM)milo Wrote:  A Sea Dirge
 There are certain things - as, a spider, a ghost,
 The income-tax, gout, an umbrella for three -
 That I hate, but the thing that I hate the most
 Is a thing they call the Sea.
 Pour some salt water over the floor -
 Ugly I'm sure you'll allow it to be:
 Suppose it extended a mile or more,
 THAT'S very like the Sea.
 Beat a dog till it howls outright -
 Cruel, but all very well for a spree:
 Suppose that he did so day and night,
 THAT would be like the Sea.
 I had a vision of nursery-maids;
 Tens of thousands passed by me -
 All leading children with wooden spades,
 And this was by the Sea.
 Who invented those spades of wood?
 Who was it cut them out of the tree?
 None, I think, but an idiot could -
 Or one that loved the Sea.
 It is pleasant and dreamy, no doubt, to float
 With 'thoughts as boundless, and souls as free':
 But, suppose you are very unwell in the boat,
 How do you like the Sea?
 There is an insect that people avoid
 (Whence is derived the verb 'to flee').
 Where have you been by it most annoyed?
 In lodgings by the Sea.
 If you like your coffee with sand for dregs,
 A decided hint of salt in your tea,
 And a fishy taste in the very eggs -
 By all means choose the Sea.
 And if, with these dainties to drink and eat,
 You prefer not a vestige of grass or tree,
 And a chronic state of wet in your feet,
 Then - I recommend the Sea.
 For I have friends who dwell by the coast -
 Pleasant friends they are to me!
 It is when I am with them I wonder most
 That anyone likes the Sea.
 They take me a walk: though tired and stiff,
 To climb the heights I madly agree;
 And, after a tumble or so from the cliff,
 They kindly suggest the Sea.
 I try the rocks, and I think it cool
 That they laugh with such an excess of glee,
 As I heavily slip into every pool
 That skirts the cold cold Sea.
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		Leaning Into The Afternoons by Pablo Neruda
 Leaning into the afternoons I cast my sad nets
 towards your oceanic eyes.
 
 There in the highest blaze my solitude lengthens and flames,
 its arms turning like a drowning man's.
 
 I send out red signals across your absent eyes
 that smell like the sea or the beach by a lighthouse.
 
 You keep only darkness, my distant female,
 from your regard sometimes the coast of dread emerges.
 
 Leaning into the afternoons I fling my sad nets
 to that sea that is thrashed by your oceanic eyes.
 
 The birds of night peck at the first stars
 that flash like my soul when I love you.
 
 The night gallops on its shadowy mare
 shedding blue tassels over the land.
 
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		Death & Co.
by Sylvia Plath 
Two, of course there are two. 
It seems perfectly natural now --- 
The one who never looks up, whose eyes are lidded 
And balled? like Blake's. 
Who exhibits
 
The birthmarks that are his trademark --- 
The scald scar of water, 
The nude  
Verdigris of the condor. 
 I am red meat. 
 His beak
 
Claps sidewise: I am not his yet. 
He tells me how badly I photograph.  
He tells me how sweet 
The babies look in their hospital 
Icebox, a simple
 
Frill at the neck 
Then the flutings of their Ionian 
Death-gowns. 
Then two little feet. 
He does not smile or smoke.
 
The other does that 
His hair long and plausive 
Bastard 
Masturbating a glitter 
He wants to be loved. 
I do not stir.
 
The frost makes a flower, 
The dew makes a star, 
The dead bell, 
The dead bell.
 
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		 (11-22-2014, 11:42 PM)bena Wrote:  Death & Co.by Sylvia Plath
 Two, of course there are two.
 It seems perfectly natural now ---
 The one who never looks up, whose eyes are lidded
 And balled? like Blake's.
 Who exhibits
 The birthmarks that are his trademark ---
 The scald scar of water,
 The nude Verdigris of the condor. I am red meat. His beak
 Claps sidewise: I am not his yet.
 He tells me how badly I photograph.
 He tells me how sweet
 The babies look in their hospital
 Icebox, a simple
 Frill at the neck
 Then the flutings of their Ionian
 Death-gowns.
 Then two little feet.
 He does not smile or smoke.
 The other does that
 His hair long and plausive
 Bastard
 Masturbating a glitter
 He wants to be loved.
 I do not stir.
 The frost makes a flower,
 The dew makes a star,
 The dead bell,
 The dead bell.
 Somebody's done for.
 
Love me some Plath.
	 
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		Monologue at 3 a.m. by Sylvia Plath
 Better that every fiber crack
 and fury make head,
 blood drenching vivid
 couch, carpet, floor
 and the snake-figured almanac
 vouching you are
 a million green counties from here,
 
 than to sit mute, twitching so
 under prickling stars,
 with stare, with curse
 blackening the time
 goodbyes were said, trains let go,
 and I, great magnanimous fool, thus wrenched from
 my one kingdom.
 
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		^ hahaaa my favorite poets all have a last name that starts with P
 Plath,
 Pound,
 Parker.
 
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		 (11-23-2014, 01:15 AM)bena Wrote:  ^ hahaaa my favorite poets all have a last name that starts with P
 Plath,
 Pound,
 Parker.
 
 Wonder what that says about me!
 
Don't get me started.     
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		Light, I know, Treads the Ten Million Stars  by Dylan Thomas
 Light, I know, treads the ten million stars,
 And blooms in the Hesperides. Light stirs
 Out of the heavenly sea onto the moon’s shores.
 Such light shall not illuminate my fears
 And catch a turnip ghost in every cranny.
 I have been frightened of the dark for years.
 When the sun falls and the moon stares,
 My heart hurls from my side and tears
 Drip from my open eyes as honey
 Drips from the humming darkness of the hive.
 I am a timid child when light is dead.
 Unless I learn the night I shall go mad.
 It is night’s terrors I must learn to love,
 Or pray for day to some attentive god
 Who on his cloud hears all my wishes,
 Hears and refuses.
 Light walks the sky, leaving no print,
 And there is always day, the shining of some sun,
 In those high globes I cannot count,
 And some shine for a second and are gone,
 Leaving no print.
 But lunar night will not glow in my blackness,
 Make bright its corners where a skeleton
 Sits back and smiles, A tiny corpse
 Turns to the roof a hideous grimace,
 Or mice play with an ivory tooth.
 Stars’ light and sun’s light will not shine
 As clearly as the light of my own brain,
 Will only dim life, and light death.
 I must lean night’s light or go mad.
 
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		 (07-09-2014, 08:59 AM)Qdeathstar Wrote:  There was a poem; it was about a baby that had been born, but the two parents fought so much they ended up tearing the baby in half.... It was a well known poem
 
 But, i cant seam to find it
 
turns out it was a short story by Raymond Carver, "little things"
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		From an Atlas of the Difficult World
 I know you are reading this poem
 late, before leaving your office
 of the one intense yellow lamp-spot and the darkening window
 in the lassitude of a building faded to quiet
 long after rush-hour. I know you are reading this poem
 standing up in a bookstore far from the ocean
 on a grey day of early spring, faint flakes driven
 across the plains’ enormous spaces around you.
 I know you are reading this poem
 in a room where too much has happened for you to bear
 where the bedclothes lie in stagnant coils on the bed
 and the open valise speaks of flight
 but you cannot leave yet. I know you are reading this poem
 as the underground train loses momentum and before running
 up the stairs
 toward a new kind of love
 your life has never allowed.
 I know you are reading this poem by the light
 of the television screen where soundless images jerk and slide
 while you wait for the newscast from the intifada.
 I know you are reading this poem in a waiting-room
 of eyes met and unmeeting, of identity with strangers.
 I know you are reading this poem by fluorescent light
 in the boredom and fatigue of the young who are counted out,
 count themselves out, at too early an age. I know
 you are reading this poem through your failing sight, the thick
 lens enlarging these letters beyond all meaning yet you read on
 because even the alphabet is precious.
 I know you are reading this poem as you pace beside the stove
 warming milk, a crying child on your shoulder, a book in your
 hand
 because life is short and you too are thirsty.
 I know you are reading this poem which is not in your language
 guessing at some words while others keep you reading
 and I want to know which words they are.
 I know you are reading this poem listening for something, torn
 between bitterness and hope
 turning back once again to the task you cannot refuse.
 I know you are reading this poem because there is nothing else
 left to read
 there where you have landed, stripped as you are.
 
 —Adrienne Rich, from An Atlas of the Difficult World
 
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