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		For my stepmother
 "Life is like a movie: if you've sat through more than half of it and its sucked every second so far, it probably isn't gonna get great right at the end and make it all worthwhile. None should blame you for walking out early." - Doug Stanhope
 
 She drank a glass of heady wine,
 then left behind the red brick shrine
 to her failed motherhood
 (or so she probably believed),
 walked down the beach, and there she stood,
 until such time as she was ready
 to take the plunge, stop going steady.
 
 The wine and wait are my fancy,
 though we know she strode into the sea
 after an eve of drink and drugs.
 Perhaps she did a "one two three!"
 before she took the final walk,
 like a soldier vaulting his mud trench
 on the officer's count down.
 Nobody saw the woman drown.
 
 I remember one time, long ago,
 she thought that I might want to know
 her love for me was very strong,
 and if this seemed just slightly wrong,
 as false as my aunt's "Tudor" house,
 neither one of us did grouse.
 
 Always the frightened little girl,
 fearing her father's quick fingers,
 and her grandad's sly camera,
 we never saw below her frown,
 and not one person saw her drown.
 
"We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges." - Gene Wolfe
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		Hi Heslopian,
 Love your opening quote.
 
 Though I will make more comments than this, in a very real way this could be your poem:
 
 Always the frightened little girl,
 fearing her father's quick fingers,
 and her grandad's sly camera,
 we never saw below her frown,
 and not one person saw her drown.
 
 That right there is condensed power.
 
 I also am fond of:
 
 as false as my aunt's "Tudor" house
 
 It's not that the rest is bad--it isn't. It's simply that the ending is so strong I would like to see that pulled more across the poem. I'm wondering (and I could be a lunatic here) if there are a few lines you could pull out of the broader poem and tack on to the conclusion and make a tight under 10 line poem out of it. Maybe that's nuts again the truth is the full poem is a good read...the ending is exceptional. I don't know enough ramble I think you see what I'm saying.
 
 Feel free to ignore it or use it as you see fit.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Todd
 
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		for me you need some 
sorrowful rhythm maybe using 7 syls per line. 
thats shows a bit of grief. (it's a dirge not a parody of a dirge    )
 
just- a-fright-ened--litt--le---girl, 
dah-de-dah---de---dah-de---dah
 
fear-ful--of--a-fath-ers-smile 
dah-de-dah-de-dah-de--dah
 
quick to-fing--er and de--file 
dah--de-dah-de-dah-de--dah <----sorry jack i couldn't help meself   
stalking her till sixty-four 
when she waded out from shore 
never did we see her frown 
ne'r a person saw her drown
 
dah--de-dah-de-dah-de--dah......
	
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (10-27-2010, 11:04 AM)billy Wrote:  for me you need somesorrowful rhythm maybe using 7 syls per line.
 thats shows a bit of grief. (it's a dirge not a parody of a dirge
  ) 
 just- a-fright-ened--litt--le---girl,
 dah-de-dah---de---dah-de---dah
 
 fear-ful--of--a-fath-ers-smile
 dah-de-dah-de-dah-de--dah
 
 quick to-fing--er and de--file
 dah--de-dah-de-dah-de--dah <----sorry jack i couldn't help meself
  
 stalking her till sixty-four
 when she waded out from shore
 never did we see her frown
 ne'r a person saw her drown
 
 dah--de-dah-de-dah-de--dah......
 
Thanks for the feedback, Billy   As I've said before, I mostly measure my rhythms by ear, but I can see why that would be a problem when adopting a specific form. 
Forgetting for a moment that this is supposed to be a dirge, what do you think of it? 
  (10-27-2010, 10:16 AM)Todd Wrote:  Hi Heslopian,
 Love your opening quote.
 
 Though I will make more comments than this, in a very real way this could be your poem:
 
 Always the frightened little girl,
 fearing her father's quick fingers,
 and her grandad's sly camera,
 we never saw below her frown,
 and not one person saw her drown.
 
 That right there is condensed power.
 
 I also am fond of:
 
 as false as my aunt's "Tudor" house
 
 It's not that the rest is bad--it isn't. It's simply that the ending is so strong I would like to see that pulled more across the poem. I'm wondering (and I could be a lunatic here) if there are a few lines you could pull out of the broader poem and tack on to the conclusion and make a tight under 10 line poem out of it. Maybe that's nuts again the truth is the full poem is a good read...the ending is exceptional. I don't know enough ramble I think you see what I'm saying.
 
 Feel free to ignore it or use it as you see fit.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Todd
 
That's certainly an interesting challenge, Todd! And please don't worry about sounding nuts; I love crazy notions   I may try it as a kind of experiment, and publish a second version of this piece. I'll leave this original alone, however; having nearly killed myself establishing the rhyme, I'm not about to mangle it   
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		10-27-2010, 07:10 PM 
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		Quote:Forgetting for a moment that this is supposed to be a dirge, what do you think of it?  
She drank a glass of heady wine, 
then left behind the red brick shrine 
to her failed motherhood 
(or so she probably believed), 
walked down the beach, and there she stood, 
until such time as she was ready 
to take the plunge, stop going steady.
what does believed rhyme with? 
The wine and wait are my fancy, 
though we know she strode into the sea 
after an eve of drink and drugs. 
Perhaps she did a "one two three !" 
before she took the final walk, 
like a soldier vaulting his mud trench 
on the officer's count down. 
Nobody saw the woman drown.
what does the drugs, walk, trench rhyme with? 
I remember one time, long ago, 
she thought that I might want to know 
her love for me was very strong, 
and if this seemed just slightly wrong, 
as false as my aunt's "Tudor" house, 
neither one of us did grouse . 
the 3rd verse is the only verse with a proper rhyme scheme 
Always the frightened little girl, 
fearing her father's quick fingers, 
and her grandad's sly camera, 
we never saw below her frown, 
and not one person saw her drown. 
what does, girl, fingers and camera rhyme with?
you changed it didn't you? all in all as a general poem i like it. some good lines. like these;
 
Perhaps she did a "one two three !" 
before she took the final walk, 
like a soldier vaulting his mud trench 
on the officer's count down.
and these which i'm sure were at the top; 
Always the frightened little girl, 
fearing her father's quick fingers, 
and her grandad's sly camera, 
we never saw below her frown, 
and not one person saw her drown. Quote:neither one of us did grouse 
feels archaic
 
for me, if it's an end rhyem poem then is should be almost spot on. 
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (10-27-2010, 07:10 PM)billy Wrote:  Quote:Forgetting for a moment that this is supposed to be a dirge, what do you think of it?  
 
 
 She drank a glass of heady wine,
 then left behind the red brick shrine
 to her failed motherhood
 (or so she probably believed),
 walked down the beach, and there she stood,
 until such time as she was ready
 to take the plunge, stop going steady.
 what does believed rhyme with?
 
 The wine and wait are my fancy,
 though we know she strode into the sea
 after an eve of drink and drugs.
 Perhaps she did a "one two three!"
 before she took the final walk,
 like a soldier vaulting his mud trench
 on the officer's count down.
 Nobody saw the woman drown.
 what does the drugs, walk, trench rhyme with?
 
 I remember one time, long ago,
 she thought that I might want to know
 her love for me was very strong,
 and if this seemed just slightly wrong,
 as false as my aunt's "Tudor" house,
 neither one of us did grouse.
 the 3rd verse is the only verse with a proper rhyme scheme
 
 Always the frightened little girl,
 fearing her father's quick fingers,
 and her grandad's sly camera,
 we never saw below her frown,
 and not one person saw her drown.
 what does, girl, fingers and camera rhyme with?
 
 you changed it didn't you?
 all in all as a general poem i like it. some good lines. like these;
 
 Perhaps she did a "one two three!"
 before she took the final walk,
 like a soldier vaulting his mud trench
 on the officer's count down.
 
 and these which i'm sure were at the top;
 Always the frightened little girl,
 fearing her father's quick fingers,
 and her grandad's sly camera,
 we never saw below her frown,
 and not one person saw her drown.
 
 
 Quote:neither one of us did grousefeels archaic 
 for me, if it's an end rhyem poem then is should be almost spot on.
 
See, now this is why I rarely rhyme; I always end up sounding weirdly archaic, and if I don't, I sacrifice cohesion for the sake of the rhyme. Thanks for the feedback, Billy   
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