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		Thanks for the tip!
 HYACINTH
 by Louise Glück
 
 1
 Is that an attitude for a flower, to stand
 like a club at the walk; poor slain boy,
 is that a way to show
 gratitude to the gods? White
 with colored hearts, the tall flowers
 sway around you, all the other boys,
 in the cold spring, as the violets open.
 
 2
 There were no flowers in antiquity
 but boys’ bodies, pale, perfectly imagined.
 So the gods sank to human shape with longing.
 In the field, in the willow grove,
 Apollo sent the courtiers away.
 
 3
 And from the blood of the wound
 a flower sprang, lilylike, more brilliant
 than the purples of Tyre.
 Then the god wept: his vital grief
 flooded the earth.
 
 4
 Beauty dies: that is the source
 of creation. Outside the ring of trees
 the courtiers could hear
 the dove’s call transmit
 its uniform, its inborn sorrow—
 They stood listening, among the rustling willows.
 Was this the god’s lament?
 They listened carefully. And for a short time
 all sound was sad.
 
 5
 There is no other immortality:
 in the cold spring, the purple violets open.
 And yet, the heart is black,
 there is its violence frankly exposed.
 Or is it not the heart at the center
 but some other word?
 And now someone is bending over them,
 meaning to gather them—
 
 6
 They could not wait
 in exile forever.
 Through the glittering grove
 the courtiers ran
 calling the name
 of their companion
 over the birds’ noise,
 over the willows’ aimless sadness.
 Well into the night they wept,
 their clear tears
 altering no earthly color.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		Grammar
 by Tony Hoagland
 
 Maxine, back from a weekend with her boyfriend,
 smiles like a big cat and says
 that she's a conjugated verb.
 She's been doing the direct object
 with a second person pronoun named Phil,
 and when she walks into the room,
 everybody turns:
 
 some kind of light is coming from her head.
 Even the geraniums look curious,
 and the bees, if they were here, would buzz
 suspiciously around her hair, looking
 for the door in her corona.
 We're all attracted to the perfume
 of fermenting joy,
 
 we've all tried to start a fire,
 and one day maybe it will blaze up on its own.
 In the meantime, she is the one today among us
 most able to bear the idea of her own beauty,
 and when we see it, what we do is natural:
 we take our burned hands
 out of our pockets,
 and clap.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)bena Wrote:  Grammarby Tony Hoagland
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 My oh my oh my! 
This is the sort of writing I aspire to.  
After reading this I hurried off to read him more.*
 
Magical metaphors seamlessly sewn. (Best description I could come up with).
 
Wow! (Now I got me someone else to steal from).
 
* Should anyone wish, there are 17 more of his here. 
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		 (05-24-2015, 07:48 AM)rayheinrich Wrote:   (05-23-2015, 11:36 PM)bena Wrote:  Grammarby Tony Hoagland
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 My oh my oh my!
 This is the sort of writing I aspire to.
 After reading this I hurried off to read him more.*
 
 Magical metaphors seamlessly sewn. (Best description I could come up with).
 
 Wow! (Now I got me someone else to steal from).
 
 
 
 * Should anyone wish, there are 17 more of his here.
 
Bena!!! This is one of my all time favorite poems. I think I've posted it somewhere on the site, it's what I hope will happen but rarely does as I read poem after poem. It's exactly what I mean when I talk about a how a successful poem can bring me to the same place again and again, and it is my  place, the place where I interact with the poem. 
 
The images in the middle strophe slay me, and 
"In the meantime, she is the one today among us 
most able to bear the idea of her own beauty," 
somehow hits me, clobbers me, with some kind of truth few can articulate.
 
Thanks for the read.    
Ha, I found it on the What is a Gerund? thread, I said it's the only thing that comes to mind when people start talking grammar to me.
 
edit:
"In the meantime, she is the one today among us most able to bear the idea of her own beauty,"
 
I've been thinking about these lines, again. For me, Hoagland has hit on the essence of the only difference between the happy and sad, the satisfied and miserable. The "today" is essential, it is a situation in flux for us all. The beauty is something every human has, we are so often so overwhelmed that we can't hold it up and admire it for what it is, so intimidated by it we attempt to bury it. That is why so often we can see in someone else what they can't see in themselves, and what others see that we can't.  When someone has a day like Maxine's, yes, worthy of applause.
	 
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		@bella..WOW I didn't remember reading this in that thread, but when I was posting this, all I could think of was you.  Freaky!
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		A HYMN TO GOD THE FATHERby John Donne
 
 Wilt thou forgive that sin where I begun,
 Which was my sin, though it were done before?
 Wilt thou forgive that sin, through which I run,
 And do run still, though still I do deplore?
 When thou hast done, thou hast not done,
 For I have more.
 
 Wilt thou forgive that sin which I have won
 Others to sin, and made my sin their door?
 Wilt thou forgive that sin which I did shun
 A year or two, but wallow'd in, a score?
 When thou hast done, thou hast not done,
 For I have more.
 
 I have a sin of fear, that when I have spun
 My last thread, I shall perish on the shore;
 But swear by thyself, that at my death thy Son
 Shall shine as he shines now, and heretofore;
 And, having done that, thou hast done;
 I fear no more.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
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		Two Vietnamese poems
 Spring view by Tran Nhan-Tong
 
 The willows trail such glory that the birds are struck dumb.
 Evening clouds balance above the eave-shaded hall.
 A friend comes, not for conversation,
 But to lean on the balustrade and watch the turquoise sky.
 
 
 A Bamboo Hut by Nguyen Trai
 
 A bamboo hut and a plum tree bower--
 That's where I spend my days, far from the world's talk.
 For meals, only some pickled cabbage,
 But I've never cared for the life of damask and silk.
 There's a pool of water for watching the moon,
 And land to plough into flower beds.
 Sometimes I feel inspired on snowy nights--
 That's when I write my best poems, and sing.
 
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		One of my favorite poets Stephan Anstey. I am sure Leanne is familiar.
 Spicy
 
 in my cauliflour soup
 with onions and carrots
 and lots of cheese
 
 i tasted a bit of last week
 smoldering just under
 the salt
 
 it wasn't worth mentioning
 except
 
 i wondered
 is this what today tastes like?
 
 
 
 What Mosquitoes Whispered
 
 What I know of love, I learned from tall grass
 on Coldspring road in the summer of 1977
 the cattails were plentiful that year and before
 they turned to seed, I dreamed of them
 
 but they were out there across the pekoe water
 rife with frogs and inch-long two-legged tadpoles
 beyond the white granite rock covered in yellow-faced
 turtles worshiping Apollo like good little Greeks
 
 I would paint on the wax wings and fly to them
 once, but then tearing them out I ran mud-licked
 to Old Homestead and shattered the brown scruff
 until seeds snowed sick on my thick bot tongue.
 
 this was a lesson not soon forgot. thus I waited
 for the waters to recede. for leaves to change
 and the stark end of autumn to reveal the beauty
 of that summer matted in soft beige hues
 
 the turtles disappeared with the sun, and the frogs
 stopped their singing too. I watched then
 as a boy for sings of hope - the first flakes came
 and instead I realized despair.
 
 the brown water alive, frozen so thick so quick so slick
 I could tip-toe slide to that distant stone where recently
 I supposed the turtles in their repose were bowed
 in prayer. those dreams now shattered I passed
 
 to the swamp grass carpet beneath the blizzard of
 my inexperience, icy-ground foot-slipped shoved through
 the thinner crisp. now wet I found new faith
 in old summer's sleeping seeds below
 
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		  Steve's a bit lovely.
	 
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		 (06-19-2015, 09:15 AM)Leanne Wrote:   Steve's a bit lovely. 
Why isn't he here?
	 
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		In someways this is a kind of cliche choice that I would usually stay away from posting in a thread like this.But because I mentioned it in the 'School ruined poetry' thread it felt like a good excuse to post it here, and it is brilliant.
 
 Dulce et Decorum Est
 ................by Wilfred Owen
 
 Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
 Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
 Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
 And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
 Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
 But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
 Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
 Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
 
 Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
 Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
 But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
 And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
 Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
 As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
 
 In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
 He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
 
 If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
 Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
 And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
 His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
 If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
 Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
 Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
 Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
 My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
 To children ardent for some desperate glory,
 The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
 Pro patria mori.
 
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 A Rainy Country      - Linda Pastan
 
 
 The headlines and feature stories alike
 leak blood all over the breakfast table,
 the wounding of the world mingling
 with smells of bacon and bread.
 
 Small pains are merely anterooms for larger,
 and even shadow has a brother, just waiting.
 Even grace is sullied by ancient angers.
 I must remember it has always been like this:
 
 those Trojan women, learning their fates;
 the simple sharpness of the guillotine.
 A filigree of cruelty adorns every culture.
 I've thumbed through the pages of my life,
 
 longing for childhood whose failures
 were merely personal, for all
 the stations of love I passed through.
 Shadows and the shadow of shadows.
 
 I am like the queen of rainy country,
 powerless and grown old.  Another morning
 with its quaint obligations: newspaper,
 bacon grease, rattle of dishes and bones.
 
 
 
 
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		Sorry to post a link, but I really love Sestina With Refrain  by Thomas Shapcott and I can't find a copy-pasteable version.
	
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		 (07-16-2015, 07:34 PM)Leanne Wrote:  Sorry to post a link, but I really love Sestina With Refrain by Thomas Shapcott and I can't find a copy-pasteable version. 
Yikes, to the poem and to the amazing successful use of a form. I forgot it was a sestina until I looked back at the title. The repeats were so effective but so natural. Thanks for posting it.
 
And the Pastan always holds its own.
	 
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		As an act of contrition, I copied it by hand. I'm hoping I got the damn italics and spaces right. Pleasant dreams...
 
 
 
 Sestina with Refrain     - Thomas W. Shapcott
 
 Why does he keep bruising against me my dead father why still
 rub First War mud into his eyes something won't die
 something unspeakable he survived "got through" kept all
 the parts to Soldier-On "War Babies" a tag stuck
 to explain old-person nightmares but not this other
 disturbance of voice faint and hoarse the call for water
 
 and why me so long after War's so tired let it die
 our century congeals with veterans all "War Babies" all
 with obsessive yarns (horrible:back off) pool rooms are stuck
 with them me mate's jaw shot clean through and something or other
 gurgling there a voice faint & hoarse the call for water
 what can you say remember it's over dad dead lie still
 
 More something insists you have to listen damn you all
 refuses at some moment cities Gods belief's unstuck
 men avoid your eyes it's not you it's absences from each other
 the absence voice faint and hoarse the call for water
 there is no water "War Baby" not allowed to be still
 to drown in that water lips fester the nerves of the tongue die
 
 no help to have seen in the Sack of Carthage a pike stuck
 through the peasant wife's breasts or in Gaul another
 staff through her mouth a voice faint and hoarse the call for water
 Vikings Saxons into her hold her hold her still
 Bosch Anzac Marine stick the gun get it done die
 Death cry death to them enemy into them into all
 
 into      old man      dad      why drag me through the intestines of another
 battleground of the voice faint and hoarse the call for water
 not over not ever over not to be extinguished to be still
 each witness remembering death goes into you to die
 to haunt you haunting me      mocking my innocence all
 my inheritance      out of your grip on me something has stuck
 
 Vietnam Corporal Cavil: A voice faint and hoarse the call for water
 so we ripped off her clothes stabbed her breasts she wouldn't die still
 we spreadeagled her shoved a trenching tool up she would not die
 we shot her it was okay they were Gooks Commies that's all
 look dad these new veterans come home survivors stuck
 into jobs and families       war babies      you know how they look past each other
 
 wake at nights gulp the unspeakable threat lie still
 it is over lie still there are others now to cry for all
 the forgotten for the remembered voice faint and hoarse      the call for water.
 
 
 
 
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		Thanks Ray, looks pretty right to me.  You're a brave man, to suffer for someone else's art.
 It's pretty glorious though, isn't it?
 
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		 (07-17-2015, 05:06 PM)Leanne Wrote:  Thanks Ray, looks pretty right to me.  You're a brave man, to suffer for someone else's art.
 It's pretty glorious though, isn't it?
 Contrition necessitates suffering; its object is specific,  
the suffering it entails is not. I didn't suffer for his art, I suffered because of it.  
With each read, the lines dug deeper. I can close my eyes and hear   
"a voice faint & hoarse the call for water". Jeez. It gloriously (and viciously) damns glory. 
 
Rending narrative aside, I'm technically awed by his line variations:
 
(but not this other) disturbance of voice faint and hoarse the call for water 
(and something or other) gurgling there a voice faint & hoarse the call for water 
the absence voice faint and hoarse the call for water 
(another) staff through her mouth a voice faint and hoarse the call for water 
(another) battleground of the voice faint and hoarse the call for water 
Vietnam Corporal Cavil: A voice faint and hoarse the call for water 
(for all) the forgotten for the remembered voice faint and hoarse the call for water.
 
Hmm, I guess you've realized by now that 'call for water' thing really IS burned into  
my brain (mouth dry as well). 
 
I haven't done it for ages, but it really is pretty wonderful to take the 
time to type each letter in, as it forces my brain to slow down enough to 
actually see each word. It's like what happens when I'm writing my own,  
I really get to feel each word there as well. Of course with his, there's 
no work to be done; you just sit back, cross your legs, and feel utterly 
humbled.
 
	 
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		My friend bought me a book of poems by David Hernandez for my birthday, "House Waiting for Music." There were quite a few of his poems that I could post here. I loved this one:
 Wile E. Coyote Attains Nirvana by David Hernandez
 
 
 It is neither by indulging in sensuous craving and pleasures,
 nor by subjecting oneself to painful, unholy and un-profitable
 self-torture, one can achieve freedom from suffering and rebirth.
 —from The Four Noble Truths
 
 No wonder after each plummet
 down the canyon, the dust cloud
 of smoke after each impact,
 he's back again, reborn,
 the same desire weighing
 inside his brain like an anvil:
 catch that bird. Again
 with the blueprints, the calculations,
 a package from the Acme Co.
 of the latest gadgets. Shoes
 with springs, shoes with rockets,
 but nothing works. Again
 the Road Runner escapes,
 feathers smearing blue across the air.
 Again the hungry coyote
 finds himself in death's embrace,
 a cannon swiveling towards his head,
 a boulder's shadow dilating
 under his feet. Back
 from the afterlife, he meditates
 under a sandstone arch
 and gets it: craving equals suffering.
 The bulb of enlightenment
 blazes over his head.
 He hears the Road Runner across
 the plain: beep-beep. Nothing.
 No urge to grab the knife
 and fork and run, no saliva
 waterfalling from his mouth.
 Just another sound in the desert
 as if Pavlov's dog forgot
 what that bell could do to his body.
 
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