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just on cnn, no source as of yet.
a swedish cartoonist giving a lecture in sweden, depicted Allah and a dog together. some of the students attacked the cartoonist and were pepper sprayed etc by the police (how the police got there so fast i don't know)
were the students right to attack the cartoonist considering it happened outside of an islamic country?
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(05-12-2010, 01:36 PM)velvetfog Wrote: Article on it here:
Lars Vilks attacked during lecture
thanks.
one of the alleged attackers got pepper sprayed which was funny but the fact this thing
happens really isn't funny at all. the cartoonist has a price on his head.
which brings up another question. should he have police protection?
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ofcourse they were not right attacking the guy inside or outside an islamic country doesn't matter,freedom of expression and speech,they should warn these people next time they'll get sprayed with pig fat
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(05-12-2010, 01:53 PM)srijantje Wrote: ofcourse they were not right attacking the guy inside or outside an islamic country doesn't matter,freedom of expression and speech,they should warn these people next time they'll get sprayed with pig fat
that would novel.
the police carrying fat sprays.
brings a new meaning to pig fat, but would that work?
i'm being serious here; if the judge said the sentence was a bacon lubing up the ass would it deter other would be attackers?
i agree that they weren't right either
i think if religion forces it'd followers to attack another for any reason, something is wrong.
i know the Catholics were bad for it not so long ago.
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well,that's the whole point,a lot of these people live in the middle ages,a stage they have to go through.what about europe not so long ago?maybe religion wise we're sort of civilised but.......have a look in the nw frontier and you know what i'm talking about
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Are we meant to follow Muslim laws not only in predominantly Muslim countries but also in Christian European countries?
If a single Muslim Pakistani tries to impose his religion in India he'll likely get killed. Now we have to "respect" their rules in Europe, for what reason?
They can have their mosques and their religion no problem. In fact they're entitled to. But that is their religion and laws should not apply to the country they live. Should anyone attack the cartoonist again, I would say hefty prison sentence or exile.
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i think you misunderstood me Dan,secular countries will have nothing to do with religious laws,what many people in europe see coming though is a substantial muslim population in their country who then try to impose religious islamic laws
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(05-12-2010, 09:07 PM)srijantje Wrote: i think you misunderstood me Dan,secular countries will have nothing to do with religious laws,what many people in europe see coming though is a substantial muslim population in their country who then try to impose religious islamic laws
It was a reply to the article, and not to your post  . But I do agree with you, the Indian example was just to show what happens outside of Europe. We (in Europe) try to have rights for everybody so minorities can sometimes take advantage of that.
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i think the attacker should get a a smallish prison sentence and deportation.
i think all to often. religious followers somehow feel they have no need to follow the laws of the country they're in because their religion rules everything they do.
that isn't the case. not in the uk, not in the middle east, not anywhere.
i think it's getting to the stage where examples are needed to be shown. once you physically attack someone. free speech has ended and a crime has taken place.
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(05-13-2010, 12:40 PM)velvetfog Wrote: The prison cells in Sweden are nicer than most hotel rooms in the Muslim part of the world.
true but it would just be a halfway house before deportation.
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after that it's the dungeons of abu graibh for a bit of rendition
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they got them to do the dirty jobs,they brought their families,multiplied and voila,problem.politicians don't think further ahead then their own career,they can't in general that's not how their brains are wired or focused on.[do i make sense?]
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(05-14-2010, 12:39 AM)srijantje Wrote: they got them to do the dirty jobs,they brought their families,multiplied and voila,problem.politicians don't think further ahead then their own career,they can't in general that's not how their brains are wired or focused on.[do i make sense?]
they didn't get them, they came of their own free will, often because they couldn't stand the harsh regime of their own country. once here they couldn't stop praising what they left, and how good their way of life was in the old country. i moved to the Philippines and i expect to live by their laws. i don't say i can do this or that because it's my religion or the law back in the uk.
i really think the extremist twats who live in the uk and cry freedom need a good reaming up the arse with a wire brush before being shipped back to where they come from. the British born extremist should just be put down where they stand. we have enough probs to deal with of our own without having to worry what allah will think
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in Holland it started with the turks,they were defenitely brought in to work in the factories etc.this was early 60's.this didn't cause too much problems,there weren't that many of them .
I live in India and although i might not agree with the various religions around here i will never DO anything in disrespect.SAY something is a different story.
ALLAH can think whatever he wants as long as he doesn't want me to think the same thing as him.that's what is basicly wrong with those convert religions like islam and christianity,they are right and the rest is wrong
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i agree.
what's wrong with them, and too some extent with the christian extremists as well is this;
everyone must be assimilated. if you not with them you're not only against them you're their fuckin enemy.
i know loads of muslims etc in the uk and their good people. they follow their religion and the law of the land. they change what they don't like from within by voting etc. it's just the few that makes everyone look bad.
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true Vf i can't see it changing any time soon.
maybe there is something to be said for mixed marriages.
the sooner we can thin out the extremists through intigration the safe we may be.
that said it's getting to the stage where a lot of the radicals are home grown white westerners.
It's a sad state of affairs that I've realised that we call them "them" (ie Muslims) instead of "us" (ie citizens of whatever country).
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i agree with you Dan
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(05-15-2010, 08:57 PM)SidewaysDan Wrote: It's a sad state of affairs that I've realised that we call them "them" (ie Muslims) instead of "us" (ie citizens of whatever country).
it's a sadder state of affairs when you realize that the "them" you mention want most of "us" "dead" At the very least "they" want "us" subservient to "their" religious whims. "them works really well for me" and them for me doesn't include muslims jews or catholics or includes everyone besides me. or just the radicals who would like nothing better than to bring down my gov and replace it with sharia law.
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(05-17-2010, 11:22 AM)velvetfog Wrote: Last night, two men tried to burn down Lars Vilks home in Sweden.
They broke a window, and poured gasoline into the house, and started a fire.
http://www.thelocal.se/26664/20100516/
the sites down but don't worry.
and thats why we call them "they" "they" are the ones who place themselves outside the scope of "us" child molesters, rapists and murderers, and attempted murderers will always be "they" and rightly so. religion doesn't give people a right to kill. "they" just think it does.
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